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07-15-2008 , 10:50 PM

bmanning

journeyman

Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 300

Villain is 26/7 over couple hundred hands. Is my turn line spew? Is bet/fold or check/fold better??? He flatted flop with two people still to act so he probably can't be that strong??? He probably views me as standard tag, maybe 14/8 or so.

Bodog No-Limit Hold'em, $4.00 BB (8 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com

SB ($209.50)
BB ($1137.00)
Hero ($396.00)
UTG+1 ($363.00)
MP1 ($451.00)
MP2 ($873.00)
CO ($980.50)
Button ($394.00)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with 9

, 9

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Hero raises to $16, 2 folds, MP2 calls $16, 2 folds, SB calls $14, BB calls $12.

Flop: ($64) J

, 5

, 7

(4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets $46, MP2 calls $46, SB folds, BB folds.

Turn: ($156) T

(2 players)
Hero checks, MP2 bets $125, Hero bets $334 (All-In),

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07-15-2008 , 11:40 PM

-VINNY-

adept

Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 955

I would check fold flop, fold turn

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07-15-2008 , 11:58 PM

pattay

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 6,306

this is not good

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07-16-2008 , 12:01 AM

Kelisitaan

banned

Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 1,191

I actually like this line a lot...and you're right, if he had something he would have raised the flop. Now, he's probably spewing at you with midpair, or a combo draw. And, you have outs even if you happen to be behind, which I doubt you are enough to make this not profitable.

NH

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07-16-2008 , 07:18 AM

miaowmiaowchowface

adept

Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 796

this is really bad imo

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07-16-2008 , 07:27 AM

Greg890

centurion

Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 119

no doubt bad...what are you putting him on first of all?

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07-16-2008 , 07:39 AM

zedveron

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 4,976

I like it. OP's reasoning is exactly right imo. We can rule out strong made hands because he opted to flat such a draw-heavy flop with 2 people still to act. What exactly can he call with? He has to fold AJ and below imo.

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07-16-2008 , 03:22 PM

bmanning

journeyman

Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 300

results: Bodog No-Limit Hold'em, $4.00 BB (8 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com

SB ($209.50)
BB ($1137.00)
Hero ($396.00)
UTG+1 ($363.00)
MP1 ($451.00)
MP2 ($873.00)
CO ($980.50)
Button ($394.00)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with 9

, 9

.
Hero raises to $16, 2 folds, MP2 calls $16, 2 folds, SB calls $14, BB calls $12.

Flop: ($64) J

, 5

, 7

(4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets $46, MP2 calls $46, SB folds, BB folds.

Turn: ($156) T

(2 players)
Hero checks, MP2 bets $125, Hero bets $334 (All-In), MP2 calls $209.

River: ($824) K

(2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $824

Results in white below:
Hero has 9c 9s (one pair, nines).
MP2 has 9h Ah (high card, ace).
Outcome: Hero wins $824.

I just figured he couldn't be that strong and if he did have qj, kj, aj, then he would probably fold and if not so be it cuz i can take this line with a set. Only draw that hit was 89.

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07-16-2008 , 10:53 PM

AllTheCheese

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Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 11,898

So gross. 26/7s don't bet/fold $125 on the turn with QJ, KJ, AJ. Check/fold everywhere.

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07-16-2008 , 11:51 PM

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WireySpinde11

grinder

Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 606

My first thought was the whole thing was spewy, but your reasoning is interesting. Not sure about the value of betting into a multi way pot with a marginal hand on the flop. As for the turn you basically fold out a bluff/top pr (mostly), have semi decent equity vs strong draws, and are crushed by strong hands. I'm really not sure if you've got enough juice here, but im considering it.

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07-17-2008 , 02:04 AM

#11

soah

Unexpected

Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 61,667

lol, my initial reaction was that this was bad and then I realized that not only have I played a hand exactly like this recently for the exact same reasons, but I also won the hand, and posted it here

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07-17-2008 , 03:41 AM

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dmesey

centurion

Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 168

What was his AF? It worked this time, but I am not sure if its best to make these kinda plays in the future against 26/7 that have a wide range and hard to narrow their hole cards down. You still had to dodge flush cards and over even when you are right so I am not sure I like this in the long run. I like your reasoning tho.

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07-17-2008 , 03:52 AM

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WireySpinde11

grinder

Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 606

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Originally Posted by dmesey

Yeah, the 26/7 is what bothers me. Its like, it's so easy to beat these guys generally, why make big moves that might be significantly -EV if you read the spot wrong? But I'm open to the idea that my discomfort might come from the fact that I simply don't so this often.

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07-18-2008 , 07:49 PM

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bmanning

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Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 300

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Originally Posted by WireySpinde11

I'm not saying i do this alot, when a confluence of events occur, and i wouldn't have done it if i didn't pick up a gutshot on turn. I do take this line with sets prolly 25 percent of time(cuz most villains can't resist betting turn if i check set to them on turn) and prolly 25 percent of time with big draws(as long as i think i got some folding equity). I don't know if this is spewing but I do know its good for a crazy image.....not sure.

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07-23-2008 , 12:31 AM

#15

Ray Zee

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Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 17,920

your thinking well and playing well. but this wasnt the best spot for it but you got away with it, so okay this time. just dont get carried away or you may get carried away.

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07-23-2008 , 03:43 PM

#16

BT2

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 4,469

spew

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