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400 NL, QQ donked into 3 times. 400 NL, QQ donked into 3 times.

09-24-2008 , 05:20 AM
I haven't played FR in a really long time. Villain is "HooBangin." I don't have my PT/HUD with me so no stats. This is my first orbit at the table.

Poker Stars $2/$4 No Limit Hold'em - 8 players
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BB: $120.00
Hero (UTG): $432.85
UTG+1: $255.95
MP1: $400.00
MP2: $402.75
CO: $388.00
BTN: $372.00
SB: $462.40

Pre Flop: ($6.00) Hero is UTG with Q Q
Hero raises to $16, 4 folds, BTN calls $16, SB calls $14, BB calls $12

Flop: ($64.00) 3 6 2 (4 players)
SB bets $40, BB folds, Hero calls $40, BTN folds

Turn: ($144.00) 8 (2 players)
SB bets $120, Hero calls $120

River: ($384.00) K (2 players)
SB bets $286.40 all in, Hero?

I have $256 left on the river. Comments on flop/turn are also welcome.
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09-24-2008 , 06:07 AM
He donked into three people on the flop (and one who is unknown UTG raiser), so he has something. Set, straight, 23s, SD+pair, 88-JJ. I'd prob pitch on the turn. His big bet on the turn after his comparatively small bet on the flop suggets that he doesn't have 99-JJ. He'd probably be trying to keep the pot smaller with those. Yeah, he could like 65s but that's pretty agressive for an unknown to be playing a mediocre draw into multiple opponents.

On the river, again, probably fold. He can't really have no pair on the flop and pair-turned-into-bluff isn't huge in people's range without history.
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09-24-2008 , 06:37 AM
If I call the turn I call river, so I would fold the turn.
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09-24-2008 , 07:31 AM
raise in the flop or fold , hoobangin no is bad..
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09-24-2008 , 07:43 AM
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Originally Posted by piscogay
raise in the flop or fold , hoobangin no is bad..
+1
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09-24-2008 , 12:14 PM
I think raise and call are both ok on the flop, although without any reads I guess I would lean towards calling. He's leading into three other players, including an utg raiser, on the flop and then firing again on the turn...only a pretty bad villain is leading TT or JJ here twice. I think you have to fold without reads/history. Callng turn/folding river is pretty bad, but calling river feels awful as well in this particular spot. I just can't see him showing up with a bluff here.
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09-24-2008 , 03:11 PM
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Originally Posted by bunga
If I call the turn I call river, so I would fold the turn.
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09-24-2008 , 03:33 PM
pls check raise at the flop or at the turn but the rest of the hand you have to do instant shove
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09-24-2008 , 03:42 PM
I don't see how raising the flop in a fourway pot on a dry board does anything but overrep the holy hell out of our hand.
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09-24-2008 , 04:33 PM
i don't agree with raising this dry flop with so many people. i would call flop.
i agree that if that the turn is the time to give up this hand. so if you don't fold turn, then either call turn and river, or reraise all-in turn.

with that said, can someone tell me why it's bad for villain to donk flop and turn with overpairs TT,JJ here?
if hero doesn't have high cbet% or floats, isn't it good to bet in flop in case hero has Ax. admittedly turn bet commits us but still, can we c/f turn with TT,JJ or call with it and c/f river?
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09-24-2008 , 06:13 PM
this is an easy fold on the turn against villain.

set or 45 always
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09-24-2008 , 10:00 PM
Alright.

In the actual hand the river was the Q so I fistpump snap-called.

I changed the river card to make the hand more interesting. Given I called turn I was most likely going to call most rivers anyway. Turn may be the main decision of the hand.

Villain showed 55.
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09-25-2008 , 12:38 AM
curveball! was not expecting that
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09-25-2008 , 02:54 AM
i agree with the general consensus IF you call the turn your calling almost any rivers, proably not much value in shoving the turn you dont wanna get rid of the possible air in his range. pretty sik he shows 55 in that spot i think i was probably mucking the turn with no read on the player.
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09-25-2008 , 09:21 PM
I like shoving the turn better than going call/call because there really isn't much air in his range given that led the flop pretty hard into 4-players with the PFR to act directly to his left.

If I'm not shoving the turn then I'm usually folding the turn.
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09-25-2008 , 09:45 PM
shoving the turn seems terrible
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09-25-2008 , 11:13 PM
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Originally Posted by soah
shoving the turn seems terrible
I like it better than calling the turn and calling the river. I think calling a shove "terrible" is an overstatement, unless Villain always has two pair+ when he bets the turn and can never have 99-JJ.
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09-26-2008 , 12:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Proofrock
I like it better than calling the turn and calling the river. I think calling a shove "terrible" is an overstatement, unless Villain always has two pair+ when he bets the turn and can never have 99-JJ.
Do you think Villain is calling a shove with JJ-99?
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09-26-2008 , 12:34 AM
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Originally Posted by AllTheCheese
Do you think Villain is calling a shove with JJ-99?
Considering there will be $640 in the pot and only $256 more for him to call, I think he'll talk himself into calling there somewhat regularly since he'll be getting 2.5 to 1 on a call (my thought process always goes like this: "****, no way I'm ahead. Wow, how did the pot get so big? Ugh, there's so much money in the pot ... maybe he has AhKh or is making a stand with 99. Time bank running low ... **** it, I call.")

Note: I'm not saying I'm definitely shoving here, but if I think I'm ahead enough to stack off, then I am shoving instead of going call/call because given the flop he just doesn't have complete air very often, and I think we're more likely to get JJ-99 to call a shove now than when the river is the K or something.
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09-26-2008 , 04:48 AM
dude, he's not calling all-in for 3/4 of a buy-in with a bluff
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09-26-2008 , 03:13 PM
muck turn fo reezy
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09-27-2008 , 08:56 PM
nice read
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