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07-15-2008 , 01:54 PM
Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $4 BB (8 handed) Full Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

UTG ($592.60)
UTG+1 ($455.10)
MP1 ($416.70)
MP2 ($74)
CO ($400)
Button ($82.20)
SB ($402)
Hero ($441.30)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 9, A.
1 fold, UTG+1 calls $4, MP1 calls $4, 4 folds, Hero checks.

Flop: ($14) 2, 2, 5 (3 players)
Hero bets $10, UTG+1 calls $10, MP1 folds.

Turn: ($34) 3 (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG+1 bets $20, Hero calls $20.

River: ($74) T (2 players)
Hero ????
UTG+1 left to act (vpip 26, pfr 6, af 1)

We both have about $400 each.
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07-15-2008 , 02:37 PM
bf or cc.
Im betting the same line you have been.
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07-15-2008 , 08:15 PM
Bet...unless you opponent is aggressive/spewy and most likely to have air here, they check and hope he bluffs.

You really need to describe the villain in these posts.
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07-15-2008 , 08:23 PM
I think you should have kept firing on the turn. It gives us another way to win the pot, disguises our hand better, and gets more money in the pot if we actually get there on the river. We can also triple barrel a scare card, as his range looks a lot like small-medium PPs. C/Cing the turn pretty much turns our hand face up, and we don't really have odds to c/c our flush draw OOP because I doubt we will get paid off adequately if we actually hit. As played, I would b/c the river.
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07-16-2008 , 06:33 AM
bf
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07-16-2008 , 07:32 AM
Why are we so eager to fold when he is betting way more lesser flushes than he is boats?
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07-16-2008 , 09:39 AM
our hand is a faceup flush once we bet the river, any competent player would be calling most flushes, and raising every boat
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07-16-2008 , 09:40 AM
also put in some kind of turn raise, either lead or c/r
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07-16-2008 , 01:21 PM
I actually took a different route.

If this passive player is betting the turn, then he will most likely bet the river if I check. I feel stronger about this since the table is $400 NL. If players smell weakness they pounce, even more passive players. I feel my hand is disguised because the turn might have filled him up or given him a str8 so I would check a medium hand in that scenario looking at it from his point of view.

The one thing I feared was being "outdumbed" as opposed to "outplayed". Like if I bet out on the river he doesnt put me on the flush and raises a str8, OR he actually has a lower flush and raises me anyways, then I have a serious problem: a passive player raised my nut flush on the riverm yuk!

So if he has a str8, he calls big bet. I WIN
if he has overpair he does not call a big bet I DONT WIN CRAP
if he has flush he calls big bet or raises I WIN vs call, or I AM IN TOUGH SPOT.
if he has boat he raises, prob a mini-raise (how annoying): AGAIN TOUGH SPOT.

I thought the best line was check call or check raise depending on what he bet. Since a $70 bet will justify my call on the turn, with a nice profit on the river, I would check call anything close to a $70 bet on the river and check raise a pussy bet (like $20, $30) to $70.

The check raise is a far stronger sign of strength and even in his eyes he knows for him to reraise he has to have have the big boat. Also since he will be most annoyed at a river check raise and to call is so little he will probably call out of spite with more hands than he would call a big bet with. If he reraises I would be more certain that he had a boat. Just my thoughts.

y'all think I'm way off in redneck logic land here?

BTW I didn't like firing on the turn since he could/would raise a str8 there. With his VPIP Axs and 64s are in his limping range. Or he has a funkey hand like limped AA and decides to raise there.

Last edited by winky51; 07-16-2008 at 01:31 PM.
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07-17-2008 , 12:05 AM
I think his range is mostly pairs, smaller flushes here. vs a 26/6/1, I like a bet of $45 or so. I probably call a raise, maybe fold to a push. Problem is he's probably raising smaller flushes here, so you are in a tough spot. I don't mind the c/c or c/r here. Is it possible he's floating overs here too? Would he 2nd barrel is river scare card? If yes, maybe I lean to a c/r.
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07-17-2008 , 03:17 AM
I find $400 NL (and Bodog players for some reason) like to pounce on weakness... even the donkier types. You check, you are weak. Could be that $400 is a lot of money for normal players thus a donk @ $400 NL has money to burn and doesnt care about losses. They want to bluff and get that thrill.

Bodog the donks will pounce on you like a dog on a steak if you show weakness. Even at low limits.
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07-18-2008 , 11:03 AM
bet turn, its easy to rep a big hand on turn. as played, bet river and figure out call or fold based on his raise size. he doesnt bet river enough here to justify c/r or c/c.
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