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400 NL: Bottom Set Shenanigans 400 NL: Bottom Set Shenanigans

12-04-2008 , 02:16 AM
Advice on all streets appreciated. Villain is 17/15/1.5 over ~500 hands. I'm generally Taggy.

No-Limit Hold'em, $4.00 BB (9 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

UTG+1 ($406)
MP1 ($221.01)
MP2 ($458.50)
MP3 ($441)
CO ($992)
Button ($398)
Hero (SB) ($396)
BB ($1037.70)
UTG ($891.44)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 2, 2
5 folds, CO raises $12, 1 fold, Hero calls $10, 1 fold

Flop: ($28) 3, 10, 2 (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $20, Hero raises $70, CO calls $50

Turn: ($168) 6 (2 players)
Hero bets $120, CO raises $910 (All-In), Hero calls $194 (All-In)
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12-04-2008 , 02:24 AM
what's the question?
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12-04-2008 , 03:22 AM
Looks fine to me. Maybe raise the flop more. You didn't put in half your remaining stack on the turn to fold did you?

This looks more like QQ-AA with a heart to me anyways.
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12-04-2008 , 03:56 AM
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Originally Posted by steamypile
This looks more like QQ-AA with a heart to me anyways.
You think QhQx-AhAx takes this line? I highly doubt nitty TAG's with overpairs, even those with the heart draw, ever do anything aside from fold this turn.

Not to mention that hand range only really beats a bluff at this point, and even then, shoving with a hand that has air drawing dead and is in trouble against any made hands that do this is just total spew.

Check-raising the flop seems standard, but I'm not a fan of doing it on this board texture. I think check-raising almost every turn card is a much better line with bottom set here, especially since you chase out ace high a lot by C/R-ing flop and I doubt you can really get overpairs to stack off with such a line.

With that said, I really don't like the turn bet -- I mean, now that the 3-flush has hit the board, what worse hands do you honestly expect to call your bet? Check-call the turn and lead out river if villain checks back turn and the 4-flush misses or if the board pairs.
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12-04-2008 , 02:02 PM
My problem with that is a turn check gives an over pair with a heart a free shot at an 11 outer.
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12-04-2008 , 02:29 PM
standard for me.
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12-05-2008 , 03:49 PM
you're getting 3 to 1. even if they have a heart, you have 10 outs, so they only have to have an overpair and/or heart draw a small amt of time for this to be profitable. altho his af is only 1.5, the odds are close enough where you have to call. all other streets look fine.
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