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4 hands i'm not sure if I played well 4 hands i'm not sure if I played well

04-14-2015 , 02:48 AM
Table was super gambol and players were getting $$$ into the pot pretty light.

I was 3betting light and most other peoples 3 betting range was QQ+

Hero is 100BB effective on each hand.


Hand 1. First hand I get 74
I've folded for about 2 orbits so I decide to open this one up mid position to $7
I get a few callers
Pot is $28~
843
Pair + flush draw
Short stack donks out $20
I raise to $50
other player reraises to $150 and is all in
Short stack folds
I sigh call.


Hand 2. I get J8 UTG+1 and probably shoulda folded. I raise to $10
3 callers
SB 3bets to $35
I know if I just call here the whole donkey train will call so I do.
4 callers
Pot is $140~
QJ8 rainbow with 1 club
UTG bets $60
I raise to $150 and am all in

Hand 3. I get AQ on BTN
Mid position makes it $10
1 caller
I 3bet to $35
SB calls
BB raises to $100
SB calls out of turn
I jam $180 and they both call
I think I like this play a lot because if he has QQ or KK and I know SB has nothing because he is just a gamble kid i'm pretty sure I have decent equity 3 ways - but I could be wrong if someone wants to stove a range of KK vs AQ vs any 2 (I don't have poker stove) Its like $180 into a $600 pot - I think I need 30%~ equity to break even.


Hand 4 I get T7
2 limpers
I make it $10
Btn makes it $35
Not sure I like to call here too but i'm closing action
every one calls
I call
Flop is 854
SB donks $100
I jam for $170
Fold / fold / call
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04-14-2015 , 06:06 AM
U should play tighter,I understand why u play low connectors with gaps) as u said u balance ur range because u played tight. In reality u should not do this,that table as u said no need to balance at all, very very rare,u posted 4 hands all of them played awful, with 100 BB u can't play like that. U should have big dispertion in ur game. This games have no dispertion,if u have so much time to play and wait for a good hands.
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04-14-2015 , 08:11 AM
As described, table is super gamble. I don't think opening your range and gambling with hands like J8s, T7s, etc, is a great thing to do when the table is playing loose and folks are willing to stick it in.
I like raising those hands in position if the table is kind of nitty, or limping with them in position if Vs are payoff monkeys.
As it turns out in all four spots, you get your money in pretty good on the flop but I'd avoid three of these spots preflop because you're probably at best break even with them OOP and wreaking havoc on yours variance. I can handle swings but I dont seek them and opening with 74s is def seeking swings.
As played, 74s, you have pair and flush draw and its 3 way action. I probably fold bc you're likely against a bigger draw and a bigger pair. HU, I call, three way, I fold.
J8 UTG +1 -- ugh. Hate opening here. As played, you flopped bottom two, t9 flopped a straight, QJ has you crushed, there are sets in Vs range. That said, this is a pretty great flop for you hand. Ship it.
AQs on button: given the earlier hands you share, I'd guess table isn't giving you a lot of credit for a real hand. I like the 3!, but don't like the idea of getting it in here. You can fold to BBs 4! You can also flat the open since you have the button and a deceptive hand. Given stacks, keeping the pot slightly smaller pre isn't a terrible idea. Once you go 35, SPR is getting out of whack.
Hand 4: raising two limpers with T7s: good luck. As played, you flopped flush with straight flush blocker/redraw, and there's. I way you're folding here. Ship it.

But I don't love any of these spots. I don't love shipping ten high flushes or ten high flush draws or bottom two pair or AQ. I think you're putting yourself in a lot of tricky spots unnecessarily. Even if you just folded these in early and middle position and only raised with them in late position, your bankroll would thank you.
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04-14-2015 , 08:36 AM
Wow.....I just read the OP, and then read the title of the thread. How can you be unsure of how well you played these hands?

It's pretty obvious that 3 out of 4 of them are very very trivial pre-flop folds. You were extremely lucky to flop the world on all three of those hands.

The AQ hand is also pretty spewy. Don't 3-bet with hands that can profitably call a single raise in position. AQs certainly qualifies. After you get 4-bet there is a 99.9999% chance you're dominated, or drawing almost dead.
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04-14-2015 , 10:25 AM
I agree with the last two posters dutchstreet and spexdome. You can't be opening with those hands. Maybe in late position. And by late position i mean at least the cutoff or button.

A lot of these hands are GII with really marginal flush draws. You flop ridiculously well with these hands but you need to lay them down.

H1: fold!(when a player donks out and you get 4 bet?)
H2: It's fine as played.
H3: If the table is really crazy as you say, I like the 3 bet as people seem to calling 3 bets light but most llsnl players 4 bet ranges are just so strong and AQ at the point is just a marginal holding. Fold.
H4: Played fine.

You probably already see if you raise OOP wit marginal holdings preflop it makes your decision making post flop much more difficult. Consider tightening up at these kinds of tables and you'll be much more profitable.
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04-14-2015 , 10:53 AM
Grunch.

Hands 1, 2 and 4 are all folds pre-flop AINEC. What are you doing playing this nonsense in the game you are describing? You are always going to the flop multi-way from a bad position with a garbage hand. And that is basically best case scenario. As you see, in other cases you will get 3bet and "lol call" against with a horrible hand/position. luckily for you, you somehow managed to get a 1 out 50 flop on all of these hands. But yeah... you played these hands like a complete fish.

Hand 3 looks like a pretty marginal spot too. I mean you got cold 4bet, that's like KK+ almost always? I guess in the game you are describing, players might be spazzing out wider than that, and having SB call sweetens your odds, but either way it's pretty marginal.
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04-14-2015 , 01:44 PM
Ya I played pretty bad and while I got my money in good I ended up getting outdrawn.

Hand 3 I got it in against QQ and AT suited

AT suited won the hand.

Hand 4 I got it in against a set and he boated up by the river.

Hand 1 was just awful - I got it in against a set and he boated up as well.
Hand 2 I got it in against QQ LOL and 9T. QQ ended up boating up though.

I played pretty bad and am really upset with how I played.
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04-14-2015 , 01:49 PM
Hand 1: I hate it preflop. Wrong table for mixing it up preflop like this, and you aren't nearly deep enough to reap the rewards. You made a pot-sweetener raise at a gambley table with a hand that doesn't flop well.

As played, you have to sigh-call his flop jam. If short stack had called, this would become a sigh-fold (since you'd likely be up against a bigger pair AND a bigger draw), but now that it's heads up, you're likely up against EITHER a bigger pair or a bigger draw. So one of you is ahead, the other has a ton of outs. You're getting 2.5-to-1, time to gamble.

Hand 2: No. Just no. You're raising in early position with a weak, easily dominated hand at a gambley table. That's bad. SB repops, which probably means an overpair. I don't care that the other two guys will probably call if you call the $35. That's going to give you bad position with an almost-definitely-dominated hand and an SPR of ~1. That's just mega-spewy.

As played, sure, I guess you're now priced into a jam. Hope that he has aces or kings, and that the board doesn't pair. Hope that the guys behind you don't have 910 or QJ. But regardless of how the rest of the hand played out, your real mistake was calling the preflop 3!.

Hand 3:I like the 3!, but fold to his 4!. His hand range is AA, KK, QQ, and maybe AK. All of those hands wreck you. KK wrecks you less than the others. The SB jam is nice and all, but you don't actually know that he "has nothing." Bad players get good hands too. And "nothing" can easily mean AK or AQ, robbing your hand of outs. (I presume sb isn't doing this with J2o, right?) You don't have 30% equity against two players, one of whom has a pure-premium range and the other having a wide range.

Hand 4: If you're getting 3-bet this much, tone down the preflop raises with suited two-gappers. What are you trying to accomplish with this raise? It isn't going to get things heads-up preflop. It isn't going to take opponents out of their comfort zones. You're going to need to flop two pair or better with this hand to feel comfortable with it. That means you're mostly hoping to flop a big draw. With your stack size, you'd rather draw cheaply and hope they pay off when you hit.

But sure, once you've called the $35 (creating a $140 preflop pot, with only $170 left in your stack), this is a must-jam on the flop. You have no fold equity, but you should still get looked up by the Ace of clubs, 67, two pair, and broadway overpairs that include a club.

Still, the dominant problem is that you're creating preflop situations with weak speculative hands where you're stuck jamming or folding all the time on the flop. That's a pretty massive leak.
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04-14-2015 , 01:58 PM
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Originally Posted by djevans

Hand 3. I get AQ on BTN
Mid position makes it $10
1 caller
I 3bet to $35
SB calls
BB raises to $100
SB calls out of turn
I jam $180 and they both call
I think I like this play a lot because if he has QQ or KK and I know SB has nothing because he is just a gamble kid i'm pretty sure I have decent equity 3 ways - but I could be wrong if someone wants to stove a range of KK vs AQ vs any 2 (I don't have poker stove) Its like $180 into a $600 pot - I think I need 30%~ equity to break even.
Equity Win Tie
UTG 27.08% 26.62% 0.46% AsQs
UTG+1 59.36% 59.14% 0.22% KK
UTG+2 13.56% 13.00% 0.56% 33+, A2s+, K2s+, Q2s+, J4s+, T6s+, 96s+, 86s+, 76s, 65s, A2o+, K5o+, Q7o+, J7o+, T7o+, 98o

27% against KK and 50% of hands, which i doubt is anywhere near his shoving/calling range. but even if you drop it down to 20% of hands, you still have 25.7% equity.

vs KK and ATC, you have 28% equity.

dont see the point in shoving.

and when V has QQ+:
Equity Win Tie
UTG 24.63% 24.20% 0.43% AsQs
UTG+1 60.84% 60.51% 0.33% QQ+
UTG+2 14.53% 14.26% 0.27% random
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04-14-2015 , 04:17 PM
a lot of players can become better players but simply refining their preflop plays. IF the table is gambly play lots of hands that dominate. Look for hands that beat hands taht these guys can not get away from. TPTK, give them terrible odds on draws, make them pay for being oop.
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