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09-30-2013 , 04:49 PM
5/10nl

$2,000 effective

Villain- 60+ wealthy greek gambler. seems solid from the little i have played with him.

Hero - young white tag losing image.

History- villain doubled through hero about an orbit before this when he limp/called pre with 55 and flopped a boat.

5 limps
LAG young asian raises to $100
Villain calls in CO
Button calls
Hero raises to $550 from SB with KK
Folds to Villain who flats
Button Folds

($1350) 525

Hero bets $775
Villain calls

($2900) A

Hero checks
Villain shoves
Hero snaps

Ok so in retrospect i think the optimal line is to check flop to induce a bet from 88-JJ to get him pot committed and then shove. That being said, as played, how do you guys play the turn? why?
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09-30-2013 , 05:23 PM
How did the 55 hand play out? Is there a reason you made it so big pre?
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09-30-2013 , 07:24 PM
I've seen the type and they typically have a super strong hand in this spot, and almost always slow-played AA pre-flop. The 'older solid' player type' who is calling your $550 pre, is just trying to be 'tricky' and teach the young kids a lesson. I would make it $450 pre, $550 on the flop and check fold the turn. Wait for a better spot.
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09-30-2013 , 07:24 PM
Sizing seems fine IMO

As played call turn. Agreed that check raising flop could make sense too but depends on villain dynamics
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09-30-2013 , 08:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Superman1
Villain- 60+ wealthy greek gambler. seems solid from the little i have played with him.
So which is he - a gambler or solid? Because they are opposite IMO.


I think preflop sizing is okay without some read that they're all nits. On the flop I'd bet smaller, like 425, and shove most turns for a little less than half pot.

His range on the turn is heavily weighted to TT-QQ and some flush draws that paired the ace. I'd check and call hoping he is turning TT into a bluff.
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09-30-2013 , 10:12 PM
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Originally Posted by The Muffin Man
How did the 55 hand play out? Is there a reason you made it so big pre?
He limp/called a 6x raise oop in a multiway pot. Then lead 1/3 pot on a 533 two flush board and then shoved over my 3bet. He was only 1k deep in that hand though.

Decided on larger pre because there were a bunch of super loose splashy players that like to call and was just trying to get max value.
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09-30-2013 , 10:15 PM
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Originally Posted by dmkai3
So which is he - a gambler or solid? Because they are opposite IMO.


I think preflop sizing is okay without some read that they're all nits. On the flop I'd bet smaller, like 425, and shove most turns for a little less than half pot.

His range on the turn is heavily weighted to TT-QQ and some flush draws that paired the ace. I'd check and call hoping he is turning TT into a bluff.
Solid at poker but plays big blackjack ect... There to get away from the real world was my impression.
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09-30-2013 , 10:57 PM
so he shoves for $675 more?

as played id snap too, but probably take a little time and try to catch a read since imma see his hand.

if you feel he is weighted toward a lot of pocket pairs then c/r flop is prob best line since most pps will be 66+. dont see him chking back those hands on that flop.
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09-30-2013 , 11:18 PM
If I'm reading correctly, you have a PSB behind on the flop. Just shove there.
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10-01-2013 , 11:06 AM
If I am calling off anyway, I would shove flop (you can't really bet small to induce given stacks).
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10-01-2013 , 12:29 PM
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Originally Posted by kk405
I've seen the type and they typically have a super strong hand in this spot, and almost always slow-played AA pre-flop. The 'older solid' player type' who is calling your $550 pre, is just trying to be 'tricky' and teach the young kids a lesson. I would make it $450 pre, $550 on the flop and check fold the turn. Wait for a better spot.
uhhh what? the A on the turn reduces the possible number of AA combos. do we check fold the turn if the turn was a 2 or 5?
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10-01-2013 , 12:34 PM
pre is a little big, but it's ok to me.

On the flop, I think shove, 1/3 pot bet, or check/raise are all viable options.
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10-01-2013 , 01:03 PM
I think PF sizing is too big, but looks like you obv knew he was gonna call that size so w/e.

AS played I do like c/r flop all in.

And as played Turn snap seems fine.
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10-01-2013 , 01:19 PM
I like flop c/r against someone you think is likely to stab with any air hands he might have. 450 flop, jam all turns is probably my standard though.
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10-01-2013 , 02:12 PM
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Originally Posted by The Muffin Man
I like flop c/r against someone you think is likely to stab with any air hands he might have. 450 flop, jam all turns is probably my standard though.
This, but bolded is important obv. Sometimes it's just fps when we as the pfr check to induce oop.


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Originally Posted by the real mg0698

And as played Turn snap seems fine.
And this
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10-01-2013 , 04:19 PM
The villian would have to be really stabby (but he "seems solid" here) or I would have to think he sees me as really weak/scared for me to check after big-3-betting OOP into eight people and resulting SPR of 1. Doesn't he have SD value already almost always? What is he betting that he isn't calling a bet with? AQs trying to get AK to fold? The turn card is irrelevant most of the time.
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