1/2 $200 effective

V1 - Loose preflop, but it's not necessarily aggressive or passive. He is capable of raising rags just as much as raising premiums. He folds more than the other crazies in any game, but he still has some glaring leaks in his game - he'll limp call raises with trash hands (suited gappers, etc) to try and smash flops. Post he is capable of making bluffs, but they generally come in the form of 3 barrels. Him and I have a huge dynamic because we have played for years and are best friends. For the most part (99%) of the time he is playing me straight up. Like I don't expect him to get out of line against me. He may have a bluff from time to time, but it's not often enough.

V2 - Weird aggro stationy guy. He is not afraid to hero call, and will do so quite often. He calls raises pre way too wide. He really likes being in the action and making hands.

V3 - Typical loose pre. Will limp call raises a ton with just about all of his limping range which is wide. I have seen him take non 3bet lines pre with premium hands, but this is to be trappy not passive. He takes weird c/call flop, donk turn lines. He plays so abnormally that one will value own themselves against him at times. I don't expect him to call big bets post with air or some draws, although there are times where he will just go with the draw and try to get there. He will call some decent sized bets with TPGK hands.

Hero - Seen as probably over-aggro to the table as I have been raising a ton of hands. In fact at this game everyone thinks I am over-aggro. V is somewhat new to the table tonight, but we have played plenty in the past. I think he views me as good, but not like out of this world good or anything. Everyone knows I am capable of bluffing and what not.

V1 raises in MP to $7
Hero in CO 3bets to $18 with T 9
V2 calls $18 from the SB
V3 calls $18 from the BB
V1 calls $11 more

Flop ($72)

9 9 J

All V's checks
Hero?


On the 3bet. I expect it to go heads up and I am IP against a guy who I have a TON of FE against. If he c/calls or donks flop I can play perfectly against him. Like I should be 3betting him without looking at my cards most times. Generally raises get little to no "respect" in this game, but 3bets narrows down people's calling ranges and I can expect it to go HU most times IMO.

When I get called by all 3 I am for sure looking to flop gin now, or if I think it's a relatively dry board I maybe can take a stab. My 3bet range shouldn't be too wide in their minds (if they are thinking that), unlike my raising range which they probably think is FOS. Then again, preflop most of them are thinking about Vegas and the effing Mirage.

I think I like the 3 bet pre. I would have liked it better if it was from the BTN. I probably would have made it a little larger to cut down V1's implied odds and to make it harder for observant opponents to 4 bet me from the BTN or blinds.

On the flop I try to make a bet that will cause one or more of my opponents to make a bad call with any of the obvious draws or Jx type hands. Like $55 or something.

Fold pre with these stack sizes, don't like the 3b. As played I just bet small like $25 on the flop and hope for a caller or two then smash the turn.

Generally I would fold pre... against this V I feel like it's printing money because he is going to call wide and fold most flops. If he calls or puts heat on me it's EZ game. Isolating him allows me to play perfect poker against him. Not sure if you are taking into account that dynamic? Had he made a lol $15 raise or something like that, I for sure wouldn't have 3bet because too much of my stack is going in. As it stands if I get him isolated I can bet half pot or less and take the it OTF. I really don't have to get creative or make huge bets to win this thing.

That's a different game ... If I get 4bet here they have the goods 100% of the time. 3bets are rare enough, 4bets without QQ+ are almost non-existent.

Understood but still seems a little spewy just to try win $18. If you are going to do this then raise to $24-26 and go close to pot on flops that miss his range. That should also keep it heads up most of the time. If another player flats the larger 3b you can just give up unless you hit a flop like that. Most players will treat an $18 3b like a regular raise.

Sizing is too small on your 3bet. You are just bloating the pot. At least make 4x or 3.5x. You picked a sizing that's less than 3x.

Why is that?

It's sort of in my OP. I'm raising to isolate him, that's it. 3bets get more respect in this game than raises. I expect to go HU with V1 much of the time. I am keeping the pot small so that I do not have to bet as much when I cbet (pot control). I am never going to be exploited. I also want him to be able to call my 3bet. It's pretty much dead money when he does. Against this guy I feel like Sol, SABR, BGP, Aesah, etc do against ... Well, everyone.

No lag is 3betting 109o, ever!

Bets $45.

I probably make it a bigger pre, especially if getting cold calls like this is something you expect to happen quite a bit. Don't really mind making the pot bigger either.

I'd bet about 45 here. I don't like checking too much as while we may gain some value, we also seem more likely to be bluffing and easier to get some value from weak hands before some scarier cards hit, especially if we consider cold caller's range to have lots of pocket pairs that won't want overcards to hit, whereas a paired board looks far more innocuous.

This really shouldn't be a HH. In fact, HOC has almost this exact HH as an example. If you're going to play LAG, you don't have the luxury of checking good hands. You need to bet these because you want to protect your crap hands. Make your usual cbet on the flop. If a villain has a better 9 or TT, you're losing a lot of money.

Hero bets $50

V2 tanks and finally folds (I'm sure he wanted to hero something like 88)
V3 folds
V1 shows QJ and folds. This is the same V1 in the other hand with the 84dd who isn't trying to play a monster pot with me unless he has some monster hand.

I'm not sure I follow what you mean here. 10 9 seems like a perfect lag three bet hand, at the top of a loose folding range.

As played with three opponents you could slow play knowing that you have to consider folding if the turn is J, spade or any non ten 8-K and your passive opponents spring to life.

I'm usually cbetting like .75 pot in this spot in the heat of the moment though.

T9 is not the worst hand to 3bet. Obv if we want to get technical T9o is not the best part of your range to 3bet, but if find a spot that it's profitable in a vacuum to 3bet loads of stuff, then T9o isn't the worst hand to take.

3 bet was a bit small but nice hand

3b more since your hand is trash, bet the flop but be cautious

Dont really mind the the 3-bet if would work in 'your' game. Is this the bottom of your range here? Obv there is something going on here with this many callers ... lack of respect to your raises (too many?) or everyone has got marginal calling hands. Depending on how the action goes you may need to bump up this bet to cut down on the number of opponents. I actually like this kind of hand ... you only need to win 25% of them to make money and as a LAG your range should be wide enough that you can c-bet most any Flop and get ppl to fold.

Flop: Bet fairly large here, 60% PSB or more should be good. You have to be consistant with this c-bet though and perhaps a bit larger than normal since there are so many draws out there and you are multi-way. I dont like the dinky bet as you are just bloating a pot more but I have mixed up my c-bets by doing so from time to time ... usually when there are bigger cards on the Flop than these!!

Reslts based commet ... you can see if you had bet smaller here that you probably would have been 3-way to the Turn with a ton of scare cards for this kind of pot.

You accomplished your goal by getting a 300% return on your 'questionable' raise here. Dont try to get fancy by trying to check it through and end up in no mans land on the Turn or River. GL

This is a unique scenario and only played like this based on villains.

Shove and watch as you get 2 callers. One with a draw and one with a J. Fade and win.

Your shove will be so confusing it'll have to entice a call from these villains. They would never believe you'd shove with a 9 which means TPGK will call you and a nut flush draw will call you.

Had it been UTG+1 raise $7 then hero in MP raise $18 then lol wtf obv but this isn't bad, CO is the spot over the line if it being ok I guess. I play laggy as well (I probs aren't as good as you), but I'd definitely bet here 100% as venice said, like $50, don't be too mopey if everyone folds because the board is pretty wet and the cold-calling ranges could easily have something to do with this board as well as V1's.

As for the 3b sizing people are debating idk it's entirely for this villain and non-standard.

Ugh, you gave the results waaay too fast.

Your reasoning and play and sizing was SPOT ON until the cbet. Then you derailed. Sizing for 3 bet is perfect as you dont spend that much and keep the SPR higher postflop, and you are not trying to fold him out - but just to gain the initiative postflop (since you know he calls all 3 bets) Well done there.

First, why bet so much? You will get allin here by river even if you checked it back on the flop. Bet ~$30/72. $35 at most. It looks like just a complimentary cbet and top pair not only will call but sometimes raise a small bet trying to find out where he is as well as knock others out the pot.

3 betting ATC is actually profitable in a vacuum but you will find that once to do it routinely you will need hands that flop at least a little equity will work better for you the stickier they get (reacting to your aggression pre). Hands that contain an ace or king work pretty well for this. When holding an ace or king you either have a blocker or an out, Always.

Good job overall, and if you just bet it right postflop you would get the *edit* committed on flop and turn and then he would reluctantly payoff river since he put too much in the pot up until then without knowing it. (Usually)

Removed results.

I bet $50 OTF because of V2 and V3. V2 is capable of heroing here and V3 would chase a FD/SD or continue with TP. Probably not a whole crap load of SDs in his range though. V1 isn't going to get crazy with me so my bet was to get value from V2 and V3. At the time I thought $50 was a default/good bet. Came here to see what you guys thought about it. I think minimum I would bet in this hand is $40.

IMO, since getting allin by river is no issue here, it becomes more pressing to make sure you get played with at all. The more you bet, the less this happens. The more others "know" you hit the flop, the less bluffy, less semi bluffy etc. they will be. $40 certainly isnt a bad bet by any means, but its hard to make a case for an above half pot cbet, unless the villains will call inelastically with all their range. Obviously this wasnt going to be the case since he folded QJ. And worrying about draws isnt a big worry of mine as half pot certainly charges fine for those as well. I just think that the transparency of strength given out by betsizing, hurts many players more than they realize.

I wouldn't mind the 3bet if we were a little deeper. I just feel like having an SPR of 3.5ish with this hand doesn't leave us with much flexibility. As played, I like the sizing for what we're trying to accomplish.

Thankfully hero runs good. I'm betting 45-50 OTF, jamming virtually every turn.