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325 BBs deep, 1-2 game. Flop trips facing river decision? Turn play? 325 BBs deep, 1-2 game. Flop trips facing river decision? Turn play?

06-30-2016 , 08:06 AM
Hero: tight image at this table, generally solid TAG

Villain: will change his game a lot depending on alcohol, tonight he is drinking fairly heavily and gambling a lot. Before this hand he announced he was leaving in 20 mins. Generally loves to overbet draws, I've seen him make terrible river calls, can double barrel sometimes with air but have not seen him triple barrel bluff although I do think he's capable on missed boards.

Game is 9 handed. Loose table, 3 or 4 very LAG type players.

Effective stacks pre flop were 650

Hero UTG: 10,Jdd
Raise 8 called by 5 players including Villain who is in SB.

Flop: 10d,9c,10s
SB: donk bets 35
Hero: call, everyone else folds

Turn: 4s
SB: bet 80
Hero: call

River: 7s
SB: bet 160
Hero: ??

Should I raise turn here? I'm massively repping over pair here by just calling OTT, assuming I raise how much should I make it? 215-250?

As played do I have to just call this river given player type? I can't see very many hands he bets 3 streets with I can beat? Basically only beating busted 7,8 and Q,J....
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06-30-2016 , 09:09 AM
Two Td... maybe you had JThh? It's a pretty loose open UTG in a vacuum and really bad in my opinion with 4-5 loose aggressive players at the table.

As played to the flop I think a call is fine. Very unlikely SB has an overpair except maybe QQ/JJ given PF action and is he really donking those into 5 players? If he is then it's to b/f. So no value against him in raising. We also have the worst T except for the one combo of T8s remaining so I think pot control is good here. Only draw out there is to a straight but we hold the J which cuts down on combos of QJ.

On the turn the board gets a little more draw heavy, but I think any reasonable back-door spades are going to have considerable equity and are never folding to a raise. We'd be getting it in a lot here and I am not really liking that. I'd continue with pot control and call.

On the river, I think this is close between a call and a fold. Im probably convincing myself that im sufficiently under-repped and calling given history, but i wouldnt be surprised if that turned out to be wrong.

Donk-betting into 5 players and triple-barreling a TTx board is crazy strong I think.
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06-30-2016 , 09:42 AM
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Originally Posted by scrybe
Two Td... maybe you had JThh? It's a pretty loose open UTG in a vacuum and really bad in my opinion with 4-5 loose aggressive players at the table.

On the turn the board gets a little more draw heavy, but I think any reasonable back-door spades are going to have considerable equity and are never folding to a raise. We'd be getting it in a lot here and I am not really liking that. I'd continue with pot control and call.

On the river, I think this is close between a call and a fold. Im probably convincing myself that im sufficiently under-repped and calling given history, but i wouldnt be surprised if that turned out to be wrong.

Donk-betting into 5 players and triple-barreling a TTx board is crazy strong I think.
Yes I had 10, Jack diamonds, not 2, 10? (sorry maybe misunderstanding your q)

As you said I basically have the worst 10 in this spot but I'm heavily under repped.

I did wonder if I raise the turn and he has pair+draw can he ever fold, and are worse 10s ever calling here? I have to admit when he fired river I wsa leaning towards A,10 and K,10 but I think he checks those hands OTF and raises turn rather donking them all streets.

This V is capable of bizarre plays when he's a bit drunk though and have seen history of this before.
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06-30-2016 , 10:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Richie4444
Yes I had 10, Jack diamonds, not 2, 10? (sorry maybe misunderstanding your q)

As you said I basically have the worst 10 in this spot but I'm heavily under repped.

I did wonder if I raise the turn and he has pair+draw can he ever fold, and are worse 10s ever calling here? I have to admit when he fired river I wsa leaning towards A,10 and K,10 but I think he checks those hands OTF and raises turn rather donking them all streets.

This V is capable of bizarre plays when he's a bit drunk though and have seen history of this before.
You say there is a Td on the flop.
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06-30-2016 , 11:23 AM
Villain is a drunk gambler, call. Unlucky if he has you beat.
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06-30-2016 , 02:45 PM
I suppose you could make a case for limping at such an aggro table, but I hardly think open-folding JTs this deep preflop is correct.

I think the hand was played perfectly if you called the river. No way you can fold a hand this good and no real reason to raise at any point.
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06-30-2016 , 03:18 PM
Call river against described player. He can barely put you on a 10 and probably puts you on an over-pair so thinks he can bet you off the hand. If he has you beat, it's a bit of a cooler.

I might limp pre, but I don't mind the raise sometimes to mix things up. At a laggy table, though, I'd probably rather limp. Heck, I might limp/3bet against the right player -- can't do that only w/ AA or KK. Really table dependent.
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06-30-2016 , 04:21 PM
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Originally Posted by scrybe
You say there is a Td on the flop.
Sorry it was 10h on the flop!. Definitely had j,10dd
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06-30-2016 , 04:24 PM
Thanks all.

I called and he had Q,9ss for a flush
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06-30-2016 , 06:40 PM
I really hope others post their opinions (specifically Willy, Venice or garick maybe?). If we are calling this river it's because either we think he is bluffing with air or because he is over valuing A9/JJ. I don't think villain is ever closing action pre after 5 players are in for $8 with QQ+.

We have one of the worst Tx hands aside from 1 combo of T8s.

Villain bets 160 into 270. So we need to win >25% of the time. Even if villain is bluffing 100% of his air, is he really getting to this river 1/4 the time with air? I don't think so.
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06-30-2016 , 08:34 PM
Hold off longer on posting results. People have different schedules and all that.

Anyway. Easy river call. He probably makes the same bet on river bricks. Just pounding the bet button. Cooler.
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06-30-2016 , 09:55 PM
Even less combos of QJ since you hold a J....

I think you played the hand very well.

Definitely calling flop and turn bet. River is read dependent. But I dont think he's triple barreling air. V's dont usually bluff rivers at 1/2. Even when drunk. WP sir.
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07-01-2016 , 05:52 AM
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Originally Posted by scrybe
I really hope others post their opinions (specifically Willy, Venice or garick maybe?). If we are calling this river it's because either we think he is bluffing with air or because he is over valuing A9/JJ. I don't think villain is ever closing action pre after 5 players are in for $8 with QQ+.

We have one of the worst Tx hands aside from 1 combo of T8s.

Villain bets 160 into 270. So we need to win >25% of the time. Even if villain is bluffing 100% of his air, is he really getting to this river 1/4 the time with air? I don't think so.
Agreed but my call is based more on this player. I know I can only really beat a bluff here but I've seen him autopilot and double barrel...my only issue was will he actually triple barrel in SB here.
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07-01-2016 , 05:52 AM
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Originally Posted by tensor0910
Even less combos of QJ since you hold a J....

I think you played the hand very well.

Definitely calling flop and turn bet. River is read dependent. But I dont think he's triple barreling air. V's dont usually bluff rivers at 1/2. Even when drunk. WP sir.
Exactly my thoughts...but I still clicked the call button because he was so hammered!
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