$1/$3 NLHE, B&M Casino, 9 Handed

Hero is on the Button with 46 ($570)
SB: $522
UTG: $300

Preflop:
UTG Calls $3, 1 Fold, 3 Calls, Hero Calls $3, SB Raises to $22, 1 Fold, 3 Calls, Hero Calls $22

Flop: ($127)
Q45
Action is checked all the way around to Hero who checks

Turn: ($127)
4
SB Bets $500 All-in, UTG Calls $278 All-In, 3 Folds, Hero??????

Now is this nothing short of a stronly made hand by SB? Not much is known about him. He has been at the table maybe only a half hour or so. But I can't imagine he would donk bet his entire stack with at least the remaining 4 and then I have kicker issues with my 4. Wouldn't be surprised if he flopped a set and now has a full house. What's my play here?

Fold pf. Both times.

As played, the SB probably has some sort of draw but the UTG has you beat. Fold.

64o calls a $22 raise pf? this hand isn't even good enough to limp, and now SPR is worse.

As played, I call. I've seen a lot of people take this line with an overpair to the board, assuming that no one has a 4 because of the pf call. So SB has like AA/KK/QQ (if you respect him, fold is auto) and UTG has a wide range of hands -- TPGK? what 4 did he call OOP with no callers in front with? QQ but limp call? I don't think UTG has us beat at all.

In other words, you wanted to play 64, now you've gotta play it.

I'm folding it twice preflop, and for sure now. SB shouldn't have many 4's but UTG's cold-call of a ridiculous overbet for his entire stack with 3 players to act behind him is telling me you're way behind, if not drawing dead.

Save the money and bet black on roulette. Better odds.

This is a sick spot to be in but I think You should call though.

If you lose to UTG you'll only be down $80 in the hand because of the $444 side pot. If you beat both players you could be up 900+.

I believe you're in front of Main villain. If villain had set of q's he wouldn't have shoved his whole stack on turn. he'd have bet for value. UTG is an unknown but because it'll only cost you $80 to find out and potentially win $900 you have to call.

Wait...if we think we beat SB, this would be a call.

We win with $222 from SB, while risking $278 against UTG.

That's $56 gamble for roughly $600, better than 10:1.

HELL YA, SNAP CALL! =)

The dreaded triple fold merge: fold pre, fold pre again, fold turn.

insta calll, u r way ahead of both, one guy had AQ and other guy had kk

lol at checking back this flop just so you can what, fold THIS turn?

this is such a snap call and it's not even close. if you're folding trips here you may as well bet the flop in position, otherwise you need to be folding preflop.

1) at my casino, people would do this sort of **** with AK, or 67o

2) why the hell if you call $22 with 46o, if you didn't plan on getting it in when you get a clean board with trip 4's?! SHOVE!

shove? only hand that should have you worried is 55, and thats a very narrow realisitc-range to not risk playing to win a pretty sizeable side-pot

call now

Depending on how bad the others players are that limped and how deep they are, I don't necessarily fold the first time around.

I would however, fold the second time around.

this.

+ i call now

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Fold pre, fold now

I also call preflop the first time round. Yes, we have a junk hand. But stacks are deepish, there's lottsa limpers and we have the best seat in the house, so I'm seeing a cheap flop here. Once raised though, I'm out. I guess the only thing that has changed from calling the first time and folding this time is that it ain't no longer cheap, but that's good enough for me.

I also check behind on the flop vs the world with bottom pair.

I think we might have a difficult decision on our hands if no one called the all-in, and I'd probably lean towards a call. But with a bet and a caller (calling for ~100 BBs no less), I'm folding.

ETA: Everyone's reasoning for "if we call pre then we gotta call post" actually seems backwards, IMO. I call first time preflop cuz if I flop the nuts my implied odds are crazy good. I didn't flop the nuts, nowhere near it in fact, and I'm now facing big action from two players; so I fold. If we folded the best hand, big deal, we only took a cheap flyer on it and it ain't worth risking almost 200 BBs. Even though I think calling the raise preflop was a mistake, in the end it's only a "minor" mistake worth a handful of BBs; calling for ~200 BBs or whatever and being wrong is a massive mistake. IMO.

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folding the winner bc u misread strength by someone elses call at LLSNL is a huge mistake. the players calling range is unbelievably wide. which makes it soooo much worse when his call "forces" out the winner.

A typical player's ~100 BB calling range to a massive overbet on the turn is unbelievably wide? With the world still yet to act behind him?

Sure, we are definitely folding the best hand here a non-zero percent of the time, but it's not like we're doing this like ~80% of the time or whatever that would make it the huge mistake you're making it out to be.

OK I found this response really funny. I know that calling 46o is speculative even for $3 dollars and once raised to $22 is kind of ludicrous to call this rasie. However there were 4 callers and I got tempted. But even at Low Stakes I feel as though I am good enough to outplay some opponents after the flop a good enough portion of the time especially when I have position. But it depends on how much better I feel as though I am against my given opponents. In this case, there are 5 players including myself so it's kind of ridiculous to think I can outplay 4 other opponents. But I was there were 4 other players in ahead of me and I was just hoping to hit a flop and get lucky and stack someone. I suppose this was wrong to call both times pre and certainly more wrong to call the $22 raise. It's pretty hard for me to outplay 4 other opponents and that is just wishful thinking. I guess I should have not called the $22 but with position is callig the $3 with low gap junk really that bad when in position? I guess it is, I guess I can't hit it enough of the time to make up for the times that I call and whiff the flop entirely.

This is exactly what I was thinking. Is it wrong to think that SB won't donk bet his entire stack into 4 players behind him yet to act without a really strong hand? Without possibly something that is the near nutz?

you wont 'outplay' people on the 2nd call with SPRs of around 2.5

Stack off.

If it causes you to stop playing 64o and the like the way you did pre, it's going to be insanely +EV long term even though you're rarely good here.

Yeah I know. Trying to outplay 4 opponents is really wishful thinking as I said.