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07-26-2011 , 03:54 PM
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Originally Posted by firefoxmaz11
i mean i sure would like to bet and build a pot to win a large one off V1 but sometimes you gotta think about getting the max value from your made hands and taking lines that will help maximize your profit.
this is why I posted this hand. i'd love to play for stacks here, but i think checking may make me more $ in general.

I agree checking may also let some random gutshot or some 55 hand hit a 4-2 outer and be stupid on the river.

It's close. I think if i have any tells making me think he has a pair, I bet 100%. Checking can't be that bad though...
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07-26-2011 , 05:24 PM
Checking this back is terrible. If we have a laggy image were goingbto get called by a wider range here. We lose a ton of value from v2s top pair hands and we lose out on flopped monsters from v1. If we are aggro and have shown the ability to bluff two streets than we also should be able to bet the streets for value as well and not level ourselves into a smaller pot for decption. Like someone said earlier were not getting much from 88/Ak AQ anyways even if top pair is binked on the river. Not to mention by checking and killing the action on the turn you in effect kill villains abilities to make plays at us with their draws or air there willing to bluff
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07-27-2011 , 10:10 AM
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Originally Posted by pacmanjt
Checking this back is terrible. If we have a laggy image were goingbto get called by a wider range here. We lose a ton of value from v2s top pair hands and we lose out on flopped monsters from v1. If we are aggro and have shown the ability to bluff two streets than we also should be able to bet the streets for value as well and not level ourselves into a smaller pot for decption. Like someone said earlier were not getting much from 88/Ak AQ anyways even if top pair is binked on the river. Not to mention by checking and killing the action on the turn you in effect kill villains abilities to make plays at us with their draws or air there willing to bluff
to say checking it back is terrible is just ignorant. most 1/2 players are stupid stations but OP said that villians hadnt really gone to showdown without made hands. These seem like villians that are not overly stupid and wont put another dollar into this pot with TPMK type hands or gutters and openenders. There are not really any FD's out there except for 7hxh's or Th8h or JhTh. but it is kinda hard for these villians to have them in thier ranges because of the preflop action.

snapcheckback, and sigh and it will possibly induce either villian/allow them to catch up.

you just go take em to ole value town for ~40 because live villian will say "ZOMG pot odds, thats a cheap bluff, (insert stupid live donkey logic), etc. i call"
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07-27-2011 , 10:57 AM
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Originally Posted by gobbledygeek
You wanted to hear arguments for *folding* the turn... I'm guessing you meant *checking*.
I is good at english.
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