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06-26-2024 , 11:33 PM
1/3

average stack size was 300. I had 300. I have a tight image. I've only been playing for an hour. The guy to my right seems to be a gambly Asian.

1) UTG opens to 15, 3 players call, I'm in the SB with KdJd

2) UTG opens to 15, 3 players call, I'm in the SB with 9dTd

3) Four players limp. I'm in the BB with 9dTd.
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06-27-2024 , 03:38 AM
best answer is probably call, fold, and check.

that said folding hands like T9s to single raise after multiple callers feels so nitty to me, thats why i hate NL and like fixed limit.
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06-27-2024 , 05:51 AM
Fold, fold, and check
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06-27-2024 , 10:08 AM
1) A suited broadway is a hand that plays well multiway. It's a good hand to flat with but also a good hand to 3bet/squeeze with. Since UTG was the original raiser, and since his range should be considered strong, I would just flat here and see a flop multiway where I can possibly flop or turn a straight or a flush and win a big put instead of raising now only having to fold it ot a jam from UTG. (FWIW I wouldn't 3bet if I only had 100 bb's because it leaves little room to maneuver post flop).

2) Call, same as above

3) This spot isn't cut and dry since it could go both ways. If you're in a weak passive game with people calling raises but folding unless they smash the flop, I would raise with a goal of getting it heads up with someone, but it's also fine to just check, especially if the players are sticky and like to float flops.
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06-27-2024 , 10:55 AM
I probably call with KJdd and fold the T9dd. For me, the more multiway we go the more nuttish I want my draw (especially in a small SPR of 4 where we will need to make commitment decisions early and our handreading skillz will be handcuffed). Not looking to squeeze light over an UTG open (my lightist is typically KQs over an active opener in this spot).

I'm fine with just seeing a flop in the limped pot with T9dd. The SPR will be a hugenormous 20 which will allow us lots of room / streets to use our hand reading skillz to properly evaluate how strong/weak our hand is.

Gbutthat'sjustmeG
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06-27-2024 , 11:10 AM
What's the relevance of the guy to your right? You said in the first two hands utg opens and you're in the SB. Some reads on utg would be helpful.

My baseline is to fold #2, check #3 and call or fold #1 depending on reads. Playing from the SB stinks, moreso in a multi way raised pot...but KJs would be one of the better hands for smashing a flop and getting action from worse hands& worse draws.
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06-27-2024 , 10:18 PM
1. If $15 is a normal open size and raising has fold equity in hand one, squeeze to $75-$90, fold to jam. If UTG limps or raises smaller with weaker parts of their range, fold is probably the way to go.

2. Fold.

3. Check behind unless you have a TON of fold equity. But in a game where people are limp calling with like KQo if you iso raise to like $25, then I think raising is a mistake. My out of position iso raise size is 6x+1x for each limper and I do that with a pretty linear range when I expect a lot of limp callers. If they are limp folding a lot though, isoing here is just picking up a ton of dead money which is awesome.

One last note, a 1/3 that has an average stack of $300 and open raise size of $15 is not amazing. If it were very deep like 600-1,000+ it could be a very good game. At this depth with a 5bb open you should just be tight, aggressive, and try to play for stacks with good hands like TPTK. Suited connectors are pretty garbage in this situation and mostly mucking them is going to the way to go. Paying $15 a pop to see multiway pots you will rarely win with limited upside because of shallow stack depth can definitely bring down your winrate.
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06-28-2024 , 11:57 AM
1. I think you can make arguments for all 3 cases and it's table dependent. In a vaccuum, I don't like any of our options. Probably call.
2. SCs play terrible OOP. Much rather flat 77 here, than an SC. Easy fold, unless some very atypical table dynamics
3. Very table dependent. If a lot of players are tigh passiive (i.e. inclined to fold), I might go for a raise. Default is check behind.
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06-28-2024 , 05:59 PM
I can be convinced of fold, call, or raise wirh KdJd.

Fold Td9d, but i like 3 bet way more than call.

Check in last one.
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06-28-2024 , 08:17 PM
1. Unless the players are very soft, I would fold this one. KJs doesn't do so well 4-way, and may be dominated by UTG's opening range already. OOP with our stack depth it's a risky spot to stack off.

2. I call.

3. In theory it should be a check, but I hate to play limp pots because our opponents' hand are so wide. Let's say we hit a T, and they have JT so we lose to a better kicker, or we hit a FD and they have a Q3 FD etc.
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06-29-2024 , 11:47 AM
We're not deep enough to be doing much 3B'ing over a $15 open with 3 callers, so if the BB isn't overly aggro and squeeze happy, I think I'd be mixing raising and calling with KJs, and mixing calling and folding T9s from the SB.

In the limped pot, it seems like an easy check with T9s in the BB.

Like, you can't 3B to $100 and fold to a 4B, when you only have $300 to start. Increase the stack sizes to $500+, we can do more 3B'ing facing this action.

It would seem a little odd to me if EP opens to $15 were getting three callers and no one adjusted by opening larger. So, if it's like this every hand, I'd think the opener isn't a very strong player, and I'd be looking for every opportunity to squeeze with all that dead money in the pot. I'd be raising 4x + 1x for each call when we're OOP, and wouldn't stop until someone 4B jams. But by then, we should have profited a lot, and there shouldn't be nearly as many calls of the initial opens.
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06-30-2024 , 07:30 PM
If we are calling to flop draws to big hands, I would rather have T9s than KJs because it makes more straights.

I think the T9s is close between call/fold. I would 3bet the KJs sometimes but I’d probably fold this one because of where the open came from. I would check the BB in hand 3.

I would point out here that since there are already 3 callers, we’re going to have relative position on a lot of flop scenarios. This makes our situation better, but maybe not better enough for me to want to call any of these except possibly the T9s.
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07-02-2024 , 12:59 PM
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Originally Posted by CallMeVernon
If we are calling to flop draws to big hands, I would rather have T9s than KJs because it makes more straights.
But T9s is also simply going to make far more second best good (i.e. two pear+) dominated hands than KJs is (of course assuming we'll trivially fold TP in both cases if raiser continues postflop multiway).

GcluelessNLnoobG
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07-02-2024 , 02:26 PM
If we’re worried about that then we can fold preflop. That doesn’t make KJs better. I have no issue with thinking they are both folds preflop.
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07-02-2024 , 03:04 PM
I don't have a problem with folding KJs either; it's borderline for me.

GcluelessmarginalhandsnoobG
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07-03-2024 , 02:19 PM
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Originally Posted by CallMeVernon
If we are calling to flop draws to big hands, I would rather have T9s than KJs because it makes more straights.

I think the T9s is close between call/fold. I would 3bet the KJs sometimes but I’d probably fold this one because of where the open came from. I would check the BB in hand 3.

I would point out here that since there are already 3 callers, we’re going to have relative position on a lot of flop scenarios. This makes our situation better, but maybe not better enough for me to want to call any of these except possibly the T9s.
I don't like having a lot of calls in the SB, especially in a raked game, facing a big open raise, and not super deep. I would rather 3bet KJs but only really when I think villains have a lot of folds, and in this case only to a size where I can just barely fold to a jam. I like 3bet more because we have a chance to take it down pre, and we are more likely to get it heads up where we can take it down on the flop, or we can stack off with top pair of a decent draw.

That said, if I was going to flat, I would rather flat KJs than T9s. KJs is more likely to hit top pair eith less overpairs possible, or flop a straight draw with an over, or gutter with 2 overs. You're less likely to get out flushed. And as with any two broadway cards, and 2 card straight you make is the nit straight. All these things are exasperated by being out of position, super multiway, and not even closing the action pre. The more multiway it becomes, the more I want to fold T9s.
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07-04-2024 , 03:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Mlark
I don't like having a lot of calls in the SB, especially in a raked game, facing a big open raise, and not super deep. I would rather 3bet KJs but only really when I think villains have a lot of folds, and in this case only to a size where I can just barely fold to a jam. I like 3bet more because we have a chance to take it down pre, and we are more likely to get it heads up where we can take it down on the flop, or we can stack off with top pair of a decent draw.

That said, if I was going to flat, I would rather flat KJs than T9s. KJs is more likely to hit top pair eith less overpairs possible, or flop a straight draw with an over, or gutter with 2 overs. You're less likely to get out flushed. And as with any two broadway cards, and 2 card straight you make is the nit straight. All these things are exasperated by being out of position, super multiway, and not even closing the action pre. The more multiway it becomes, the more I want to fold T9s.
As I said above, we’re arguing at the margins because I’m happy to accept that both hands are folds. I’m certainly not happy calling KJs in this spot.
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