Villain is LAG and has been playing well, opening wide (AT from UTG) and applying pressure on good run outs. I have 3! Him 3 times in the last 2.5 hours. He folded preflop twice, and called before check folding to my cbet on a K56 board. I have the feeling he will look to play back at me in a 3! Pot soon.

My image is TAG. I have been card dead the last hour or so but was pretty active before that, 3! and taking down pots w some regularity. I have not had much action beyond the flop.

3/5 eff stacks $1000
Pre-flop
Villain raises in MP to 20
Hero 3! To 60 on the button with QJ
Villain calls

Flop ($122)
Q96
Villain checks, Hero bets $70, Villains calls

Turn ($262) 5
Villain thinks, eyes heros stack and leads $125. Hero calls.

River ($512) K
Villain shoves $750
Hero....

In my minds villain is not repping much, but I do not really see any bluffs in his range either. Thoughts on all streets appreciated.

Not repping much? Villain's range annihilates us on this river.

Sorry, but this is just a lol fold. He probably has a SF.

This LAG has somehow made you think he is capable of incredible bluffs. Buy him a beer and ask him of his magic powers.

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You think V is going to start playing back at you so you... 3bet with an easily dominated hand. Yikes.


As played check the flop. As played call turn. As played fold river. This hand should be easy to play.

This seems like maybe not the best idea.

Looks like most people are thinking this is straight forward. Maybe I'll get flamed for this but when he leads turn with a small turn bet, it screams draw to me and there isn't too many FD's in his range. AJss, ATss and JTss got there along with 78s.

Do people put sets in his range with his small turn donk? If they do, it moves this into the slam dunk fold camp that people seem to agree with.

It seems like his river range is polarized, there's only 7 combos that beat us, but I am having trouble finding any bluffs he could have. I wound up folding in person, but have been thinking about this hand afterwards.

+1

I'm not sure why you'd even think about calling here? Maybe 1 time out of 100 this is gonna be a total spazzy bluff. The other 99 times this shove is for pure value.

Fold pre

Ok looks like this isn't going anywhere and generating any ranging discussion. I agree there is a lot of merit in the"large river bets are rarely bluffs" line of thinking.

At the end of the session I was talking to villain and he said that he turned a FD and jammed river as a bluff. He seemed genuine and that would be a complex lie so I believe him. Oh well, nice hand sir.

Only a couple backdoor combos x/c the flop. Possible, I suppose.

Was he trying to get you to lay down AA?

QJo should not be in your 3bet range.

5s3s is a much better 3bet hand than QJo. When they call - it's too easily dominated and when it does flop well, you generally don't get action.

It looks like he has pocket 9's / flush draw / JT or a random 2 pair hand like Q9 although u block a Q. He could even have pocket kings and be scared of AA for some reason so he flats. He has a bluff like 20% of the time, but most of the hands he was semi bluffing with or bluffing with on the turn get there on the river. So the only hands you beat are JJ which you block, TT, and AJ/AT.

Fold.

Also check flop - wtf are you doing betting here?

Yah. So the 1 out of 100 happened here.

I thought about checking the flop, and agree it is probably necessary for pot control. If another spade rolls off we are at a range disadvantage and hardly ever have a flush. Are we check folding to villain on the turn or do we peel and just hope he doesn't follow up on the river?

The whole concept with 200bb and you making it 3bet with QJo to $60 is absolutely very wrong. I'm telling why:

You got to play like a solid LAG with a vpip in the low thirties and PFR in the low twenties. Also keep your raises coming in first on the smaller side (3.5x to 3x). Today most players would routinely 4x or 5x and would have inconsistent preflop raise sizing (3x with 55, 6x with AK etc). You got to stay consistent and on the smaller side if you want to control the game. If you open for more like 1st one in then the game would be controlled by the size of the pot on the flop.
You don’t want that. What you want is you to have control of the action when the flop comes down. If the pot is too big then the flop action is going to be dictate by the size of the pot so opponents will either call or fold as a function of pot size. Regardless of your skill very rarely 3bet as a bluff or otherwise reveal your hand.

Bluffing 3bet with QJo is definitely an unskilled play

Pre, if youve caught him isolating/raising some rather speculative holdings I dont mind the 3bet.

Flop is just a check for me, we can get value from worse for sure but I think this is probably a 2 street max hand. Against this type of guy you claim he is, I like repping AK/JJ by checking back here to let him barrel off.

Turn and River I'm not really sure. I don't really see him playing a set this way maybe thats a gut feel thing. Not a great spot. I guess I'd just fold as its hard to put him on a hand thats worse than ours.


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I think it's possible you've been watching too much "Live at the Bike" and poker on t.v.

You're thinking he's bluffing $750 with a weaker hand than yours? Since you're aggressive, you could have been betting with a flush draw. Or, maybe KQ.

I don't see this situation as a bluffing opportunity for Villain. He would have to have brought his ego with him to the table, have you get under his skin, & be willing to dust off $750 trying to teach you a lesson.

Villain gave you a decent price OTT to draw to a flush.

You think OTT that he's thinking: "Well, I have the A, so if I bet $125 & then shove OTR if another spade comes, he may stop & think for a minute & realize that my bet OTT was a blocking bet to get a good price to draw to a flush [which I don't have] and even if he has a flush, I have the A & $750 is a LOTTA' $$, & he's too weak to call with a Q high flush."

You think that's what he was thinking on the Turn?

The last thing I would do is ask the guy later what he had or what he was thinking. Do you seriously think hes going to be honest often enough for whatever he says to make any difference? If you play him with any regularity hes 90% lying to you and now hes in your head.