Hey all, had some hands today that I'd like some thoughts on. I'm not too interested in pre flop play as they are calling so wide pre it's not worth spending time on.


V1 I've seen him raise 89cc from utg, along with calling quite a bit, so in general loose pre flop but generally played straight forward post flop. Can chase some post flop but I haven't seen him get out of line too much yet post. He did c/r with the 89cc on a 7TJ4 board after leading flop and getting called in two spots.

V2 is even looser, seen him call pretty much with any 2 cards pre, and he has stabbed at pots post flop multiple times. Haven't seen him raise much post, though,

Hand 1: eff stacks 330
I raise qq utg to 15, 4 callers including utg+1 who hasnt been doing much since I sat down about 30 min ago, fwiw he looks competent. Flop is T83r, I bet 45, utg+1 raises to 345 folds to me I...

Hand 2: eff stacks 330
I raise kqo (no diamond) utg to 15, v1 on button and v2 in SB call. Flop k66dd I bet 27 both call. Turn 5d checks around. River 4 v2 leads 50 I...

Hand 3: eff stacks 330
I raise aqo utg to 20, v1 on button and v2 in SB call. Flop kqtr checks around. Turn k completing the rainbow and v2 leads 15, I raise to 40, v1 folds and v2 rr to 90 I...

I will post my thoughts after some comments
Thanks!

1 fold

2 bet the turn. as played now you are in a weird spot and you have to probably call

3 this is a disaster. since you didn't cbet you have to fold. idk why you would raise there. then when you got raised, what is there to think about facing the 3bet? fold it's not even close.

edit I am not saying you should have cbet in hand 3 oop.

fairly tough hands here, hand 1: I see him having jj, kk-aa, or a set, probably folding.

hand 2: close call, sometimes i check the flop in this spot.

hand 3: close again, i think hand 2 and 3 really depend on things that you can't really just type out. I would probably call hand 2 more often than i would call hand 3

I call in hand 1, fold hands 2 and 3.

Hand 1 obviously makes no sense but I see people do these crazy things with JJ here, so they don't get sucked out on. Very strange move with a set, no real likely two pair hands. I'm fine getting it in here and seeing what he plays this way for future knowledge.

Hand 2 I think it is very unlikely you were ever winning this hand. With SB leading river and another player behind you, this should be an easy fold.

Hand 3, villain can have all sorts of value hands and you can't have a K, so I think it is a bad time to raise him on the turn. As played in folding to his small reraise.

Hand 1: If villain seems cautious but you don't have any other information, I'm folding when he effectively shoves with two people left to act after him on a fairly dry board.

Hand 2: Better to bet something on turn. On river it's a toss up but I would favor fold with him betting into two people. Given your description, I would call some of the time.

Hand 3: Should bet this flop some of the time. Raising the turn is a bluff, when you get reraised fold. Check/fold the turn is probably best even if villain is prone to taking stabs at pots because you have no idea where you are in hand.

i appreciate the tough love.

interesting thought to bet the turn in hand 2, my thought process on checking the turn was the flush draw completed, and there are 6's in both opponents ranges. getting another street of value seemed ambitious at the time, as opposed to extracting from bluffs, or even getting away from the hand on the river.

hand 3 - yes now in hindsight i can see how betting flop helps make future streets easier. as played, my turn raise was to take charge of the hand where I thought I was ahead (and extract value from draws / worse 1pair hands), which is why his re-raise stumped me.

thanks for the feedback. i tried my best to elaborate on villains to avoid your thoughts on hand 3 (and 2), but sadly that might be unavoidable.


the thing that scared me in hand 1 is he essentially shoved with 4 players left to act on a board without a flushdraw, and he seemed competent, so i viewed that as he was very happy with his hand and essentially wanted to take the pot down there, which is why I discounted his range to sets and AA. I haven't pokerstoved in a while, but I suspect even if I put JJ into the range of KK/AA/sets (not even two pairs, he was pretty tight and that'd be a 1 gapper he called pre with), I think its still a fold.

i wasn't raising the turn in hand 3 as a bluff. it was for value from other 1 pair hands and draws. folding i'm not a fan of on the turn, as played.

What I ended up doing was folding all 3 hands. The cool thing is I have results for all 3, I'll post tomorrow to give time for some final thoughts and comments.

I should say that I think a fold on hand one is fine and probably the standard play. I wouldn't do it personally, as it is pretty clear from this move that he isn't a competent player at all, and once we know that he has a lot of silly hands in his range even if he also has some better hands. The kind of player who freaks out with AA on a dry board is the same player that freaks out with TPTK on a dry board.

I'd severely discount AA from his range though because I don't think that the kind of person who spazz shoves AA on the flop to avoid being drawn out on is the same person who flats a PFR from early position. Those guys are always three betting aces because they hate going multiway with aces. Set is possible, but would be godawful on his part.

The problem is that his $15 into a $60 could be a stab with a weak hand or draw, but on this board it's just as likely a monster seeing if anybody is willing to stick around. Given villain's tendency towards taking stabs at pots, calling isn't bad. If villain is prone to taking one stab and giving up I would probably call more then fold, if villain is going to follow through on river I'm more inclined to just fold.

When you raise you fold out his total garbage but on this board you run a risk of a 3 bet bluff/semi-bluff. Because villain can easily represent a KX hand and won't give you credit for one this is one of the rare situations where a 3 bet bluff is a possibility.

Thanks for the feedback