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3-bet 8d7d, get an all-spade flop; Turn decision? 3-bet 8d7d, get an all-spade flop; Turn decision?

09-16-2022 , 08:21 PM
Game is $2-$100 spread limit.

Villain is an old guy, just seems like your average bad fish. Limps in too much, calls too much, doesn’t get enough value, etc. He has a stack of $600 due to coolering a kid with Ac6c vs KcTc when a third club hit the River on an unpaired board.

Hero covers #humblebrag.

Hand: there are two limpers, and Villain raises to $10 in the CO. Hero 3-bets to $30 with 8d7d. Everyone folds to Villain who calls.

Flop: Js7s5s ($64)

Villain checks. I bet $18 (low, just to fold out his hands that are absolute airballs, 4c4d or AhTh stuff). But he calls.

Turn: Js7s5s 9h (Pot: $100)

We’ve picked up a two-way straight draw to go with our pair. Villain checks.

What should Hero do?
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09-16-2022 , 11:07 PM
I wouldn’t reraise an OMC like you said.

If he’s loose and passive he has you crushed preflop.

Check back flop with no spade in position.

Check turn

Evaluate river
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09-17-2022 , 12:53 AM
Being in a spread limit game makes 3 betting with drawing hands generally bad. You need to be able to steal a lot of hands for it too work. As played the flop bet is OK and on the turn take your free card. Your not trying to build a big pot, your hand has just enough show down value that you want to see. The last thing you want to happen is that you bet and villain raises.
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09-17-2022 , 03:42 AM
Probably not 3-betting pre, just prefer to call against this type of player and raise all my premiums. Think I'm going to be mostly checking back this flop without a spade. AP I check back the turn and see what he wants to do on the river. We have decent showdown value against a lot of his unpaired hands drawing, and if we continue betting the turn he is going to call with almost 100% of them. If a fourth spade peels off easy fold, if not then he will just check his air and we are good a large portion of the time.
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09-17-2022 , 05:05 AM
xb turn for sure.
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09-17-2022 , 05:14 AM
I think PF is good is Villain has a history of folding to 3-bets. However, you say "calls too much" which I expect extends to PF action, too. In that case, just call PF.
I like flop bet for the reasons you describe, but once he calls, you are likely behind. Take the free turn card with gratitude. Check back river unimproved or maybe call a small bet. Obviously bet/raise if you improve on river.
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09-17-2022 , 01:43 PM
Check or bet your entire range for 1/4 to 1/3 pot. I prefer my whole range two streets in position for around $25 into $100 there. It works more than the 1 out of 5 times you need it to when behind. And when you have a monster sometimes bad fish will,nterpret the range bet as weakness. I like your flop sizing.

River inyour game if No c/r by villain Im only betting with your hand if a 7 or 10 comes off. Unless they have seen you 1/4,1/4, big bet with top of your rqnge in-the past. Anyone willing to call two small bets either has a big spade you maystill be ahead of, or a hand unlikely tofold for $100 in a $150 pot.
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09-18-2022 , 08:28 AM
RESULT: Hero reasoned that he is still ahead of Villain’s AsKx / AxKs / AsQx hands—and isn’t in terrible shape against his AxJx hands—and decides to bet 1/3 pot again ($35). (He also reasons that IF Villain flopped the joint, by betting again on the Turn he reduces the likelihood of facing a $100 bet on the River, as Villain will let me keep bluffing.)

Villain called.

River: Js7s5s 9h Tc (Pot: $160)

Well it’s better to be lucky than good.

Villain checks, I bet $100, Villain snap-calls with…..pocket Jacks. Sorry dude!
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09-18-2022 , 03:51 PM
Flop sizing is horrible.
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09-18-2022 , 05:35 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by monikrazy
Flop sizing is horrible.
Tiny range-bet on monotone flops is GTO-standard. What do you think it should be?
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