MP1 is a 60/7 donkatron who ive been tryin to play lots of pots with. He seems like one of those who justs like to see tons of flops not matter what the cost. MP2 is cow and note he is the one betting the flop not the fish although i didnt realize this at the time


Poker Stars $3/$6 No Limit Hold'em - 8 players
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MP2: $615.00
CO: $600.00
BTN: $668.25
SB: $600.00
Hero (BB): $1006.00
UTG: $600.00
UTG+1: $606.00
MP1: $818.15

Pre Flop: ($9.00) Hero is BB with 9 8
2 folds, MP1 raises to $12, MP2 calls $12, 3 folds, Hero calls $6

Flop: ($39.00) 8 9 A (3 players)
Hero checks, MP1 checks, MP2 bets $30, Hero raises to $108, MP1 calls $108, MP2 folds

Turn: ($285.00) 2 (2 players)
Hero

I think bet/folding turn has to be the best here but I'm not sure how this sets up for river play. I'd have to think a bit about it wrt the drooler.

Hero bet 225 and doesnt fold to any action!

my instinct points to $185

I CR flop to 140-150 to make it look more like a draw/make it more expensive for draws. 108 is very weak IMO.

b/f turn b/f river prob

Any stats on aggression?

passive = b/f

aggro = b/c

If I think the fish keeps calling with any ace, I just keep betting. Maybe two ghey bets. He only has a 7 pfr, so this could be a "high" ace.

Sick spot. Let's note that he checked the flop after opening pre and cold called your raise.

Idk, this spot really sucks. I think that the best play is b/f here. I probably bet around 180 and fold if he raises. I would be surprised if a 60/7 raised without a flush and I want to charge the max for Axc.

2 pair versus a fish was never a sucky spot for me. It usually goes down, bet, bet, bet. When he has AA or flush and check calls all the way, I rule it a cooler, and move on.

well aren't you something

bigliveson, the people want a new all star list of 09

Bet/fold turn, bet river seems best.

Oh, and flop is a clear lead, imo.

I wonder if you can just c/f the turn, putting him on a range after the flop coldcall of mostly slowplayed big hands and draws that have now got there. I think that we can agree that if we check and he bets big its an easy fold, as nothing but a flush (maybe not even AA) is betting, so its only really a question of is the turn worth betting to get value from worse hands?

Keep it simple this time and you get all donks money later.

Check turn.
If donk bets less then then pot on river I think you have to call.
If donk checks river make a 220 valuebet that almost all Ax will call.

checking turn is bad for a variety of reasons.

betting turn & getting it in is reckless.

so the only option is to bet/fold. you can assess the river depending on whether it's a club, Ace, or some blank.

If we bet the turn, what worse hand that cold called our flop raise can call the turn again?

an ace

from a 60/7 fish? Well black KK and black QQ and all Ax. They are fish for a reason.

You bet the turn to get value from Ax hands that he's peeled with, especially if they have a club.

I think that if you bet the turn you have to be somewhat confident that villain will call a shove on a river brick with worse.

A good argument for checking the turn, assuming that villain will never bet worse when checked to, is that you lose nothing when you're beat. If you plan to value bet turn but not river then you really need to be checking the turn. Yes villain will sometimes improve but you still lose less when the river is Xc and since his flop calling range that we're ahead of on turn always has showdown value, you can expect to still get that 1 street of value when you lead river after turn gets checked back.

check-raise obv

EDIT:
or bet/call and if just calls turn, then shove any non club river.

I still don't think there are a lot of Ax in villan's range. So he raised PF, and chose not to C-bet his TPGK on a drawy flop in a multiway pot, but then cold called our checkraise?

This line seems wierd even for a fish...