by mother teresa i meant the mother teresa of douchebags aka intensedawwg


Poker Stars $3/$6 No Limit Hold'em - 9 players
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MP1: $687.60
Hero (MP2): $1008.90
CO: $1351.45
BTN: $600.00
SB: $600.00
BB: $615.75
UTG: $657.00
UTG+1: $684.00
UTG+2: $1209.00

Pre Flop: ($9.00) Hero is MP2 with A Q
1 fold, UTG+1 raises to $18, 2 folds, Hero calls $18, 4 folds

Flop: ($45.00) 3 8 Q (2 players)
UTG+1 bets $30, Hero calls $30

Turn: ($105.00) A (2 players)
UTG+1 checks, Hero bets $78, UTG+1 raises to $215, Hero calls $137

River: ($535.00) K (2 players)
UTG+1 bets $421 all in,

does he ever bluff here?

i dunno but i think he has AK here like never given his turn line

i think he has the nuts but thats generally what i always think when someone bets

Hmm im wondering if shoving turn might be better? Its not clear who has the implied odds advantage on the turn, you or him.

I do know that if your calling the turn you probably have to call this river. I dont think he does this with AK. I think its 88/QQ/AA (5 combos in total!) or a bluff.

I think calling turn folding river is fine. You're basically trying to SD vs. a bluff/get away from a set. I don't think you ever beat his shove; his range is absolutely polarized and I would say he is bluffing 1-5% of the time here. WP, now fold.

obv his range includes the big sets, but his line also could be 10cJc

just saying you need to include that as well. wouldnt be a bad spot to cr the turn.

he's incapable of value-shoving like A8/QK and is pretty nitty postflop when it comes to playing for stacks. easy fold imo.

Maybe raise after flop (30+75) with your top/top to see if he's serious or just continuing. (Not that calling is bad, I just don't know how the play has been leading up to this hand.) Calling does keep the pot small in a way ahead/way behind situation.

Turn play seems ok. (I put him on AK or possible a big draw with JcTc) You're still in the way ahead/way behind dilemma. Here's where the flop raise would have delivered some additional and helpful information.

River comes K. You're probably beat. About the only hands you're beating are KcQc, or 3c4c. Pot is giving you 2.27/1 so you need to win about 31% to make the call. He could have AA (1 hand), KK (3 hands, but KK really doesn't fit his turn play so lets say 1.5 hands ), QQ (1 hand), JcTc (1 hand), 88 (3 hands), 33 (3 hands) for a total of 10.5 hands that beat you. So you beat his holding 2/12.5 = 16% of time. In order for you to get to 31%, he must be bluffing 15% of the time. That's about 1 bluff per 7 hands that this situation occurs. That's a pretty high percentage into that board. Unless this guy is known to bluff at a high frequency, your play is to fold.

fold turn,

not leveling fwiw

lol

I think his line is mostly sets and QcXc (less often) and JT, so fold I guess

you cant fold the river once you call turn.

it's either clubs with a pair or something or a random bluff that he continued with.

i really doubt i can fold this with what weve invested.

what weve invested is irrelavent dood

wouldn't he just barrel the turn with a FD or bluff? It is a perfect card for him to 2nd barrel. i doubt he c/r this turn as a bluff, because he knows that u will check behind very often.

so i think it is a fold against the described player .

of course i don't know your exact history, and if u float a lot against him, he may be c/r the turn more often as a bluff.

I guess I am not sure why we haven't raised anywhere. I dont know villain in this case, but it would seem that a raise on one of the first 3 streets would have clarified things (raise turn > 3-bet pre > raise flop). I think I get it in on the turn here since there is really only 5 realistic hands that beat us. Add his combo. draws to the mix and I think this is an easy shove.

Seems like the way you plyed the hand, you have to call the river with top two getting over 2-1.

Well,

Pokerstove
AdQh vs. AA,QQ,88,33,AQsAQo,KcQc,KcJc,KcTc,QcJc,QcTc,JcTc,J c9c,Tc9c
43.295% vs. 56.705%

Using effective stacks:
Shove = invest 558 more
To win: 684 x 2 = 1368

0.43285 * 1368 = 592

On average, you end up with $592 (vs. 558 you stay with if you fold), but the range is ideal and assumes he always calls with the draw (not so). Shoving turn seems marginal at best.

Didn't check your math but assuming it is right, that is $34 that you are lighting on fire if you fold. May not seem like a lot, but it represents almost 3% of the final pot which over time is a ton of money.

Not sure about your comment regarding "assumes he always calls with the draw". If he folds, then the push is still higher EV than calling because if you just call, you don't win the pot 100% of the time like you do if he folds (not to mention that calling puts you to a more difficult decision on the river with a lot river cards).

Anyway, I just don't think we can polarize his range to so few hands that would ever make this a fold. And since we lose $EV by calling, pushing can't ever be wrong.

I don't know villain at all, but it feels like a KK that thought your turn bet was FOS, or a set. don't see why he wouldn't just barrel a draw when the overcard hits. So I say fold, altho in practice, I have problems laying down what was top 2 on the turn.

i think this looks a ton like a set and not much else and you should fold at least river and maybe turn but i can never fold that turn during a hand

My first thought as well.

God I hate Intensedawg.

Argh, fold turn looks best, but then are we always giving up if villain just decides to c/r turn? Seems incredibly weak.

I play the same up to the river and fold.

Why do so many people hate IntenseDawg? I dislike him myself, but that goes for like 25% of the regulars.

if you believe he never has AK on turn then just fold turn

Fold river as played, I don't believe calling turn commits you to calling river vs a nit like this, because you only beat bluffs and he's probably the type to just try once and not follow through.

Also pre is fairly marginal if he's still as nitty as I remember, probably just 3bet aqo or fold.

i love him so much i made his pic my avatar