Had an unorthodox hand that has been bugging me.

Solid UTG +1 (770) opens 15. UTG+2 regfish (550) calls. Hero (1300) 3! to 65 from CO. Solid player in SB (1100) calls. Very solid BB (900)calls.

Flop (325) QJTr. Check to UTG +1 who open shops 700. Fold to hero.

V has not made any big bets like this, but there also has been no 3! Pots with multiway action. Also 1st time he opened 15.

What is possible range for V1 and what should hero do?

What hand do you have?

Get a table change if possible when you have three "solid" players at the table.

It would help to know what hand you have.

It's really hard to put V on a range because I can't think of any hands it makes sense to play this way. I'd rather x/r my entire value range in this spot as V and it's a horrendous texture to bluff.

I think he has JJ-QQ,AK, maybe a few bluff combos with hands like KQs if he knows you'll squeeze light in this spot pre-flop.

Hero had QJs

Still looking for any thoughts on this hand.

1. Call PF vs UTG open esp w recfish call
2. Completely reassess your player profiles, SB, and BB flats are likely poor decisions, mostly.
3. UTG can do this with his whole UTG open range - his sizing pre and HH should tell you what you need to know about his range, but it's irrelevant given you've turned a good IP spec hand into a bluff.
4. Rework all the possible PF scenarios when you flat, and you should find a a lot of results that allow you to see flops IP relatively deep with mostly easy decisions to come.

Tough situation. Hard to diagnose remotely. Range for UTG+1 is very villain dependent and how he views the rest of the table. A lot depends on how committed he will feel with AA/AQ type hands in this situation. His open shipping is likely because of his somewhat awkward stack size. If his hand has any value then betting commits him to pot and he is facing multiple villains on a very ugly board.

Bluffs are highly unlikely on this board because anybody can be sitting on AK. I would guess AK/KK/sets make up most of his range. KQ-T9 seem unlikely here because they called preflop in a 3 bet pot but closing the action they are possible. AQ seems unlikely from a solid player given the action and board. AA should be reraising preflop and is over playing this flop.

Fold. Your hand is a bluffcatcher on an unbluffable board. The ranges of players left to act hit this board hard too if they're remotely competent.

+1
top two is a bluff catch in this hand
Either UTG+1 shoving a set or don't slow play AK for a flop Broadway straight

I think he has 8-9,K-9 or Ak almost always,I'd fold and do it fairly quickly.Also I hate the three bet as you have a hand that flops excellent multi-ways in position and you can't handle a 4-bet.

IFF your characterization of V is right, this isn't K9 or AK. I guess it could be 89. No competent villain is ever playing AK like this unless your table is over calling a ton. They aren't going to be opening with K9 in EP. There's too much value to be had and the board is just too safe for AK. I think a generous range for V is 89, T9, JT, QT, QJ, 99, TT, JJ, QQ , AQ, KQ and maybe KK or AA if he tends to flat those hands sometimes for deception. The T9 and 99 are the most generous of these. I'm guessing V knows that his SPR puts him in an awkward position on the turn and there are a lot of bad turn cards in a multiway pot. Any 8, 9, K or A will most likely counterfeit him. He also has FE. I think he's essentially gambling in the hope you don't have AK, the question is really just if your non-nuts is stronger than his non-nuts.

You're getting about 3:2, and I think that's good enough for a call here. Not my favorite spot obviously.

Finally, if your raise isn't going to isolate a weak player then just call pre.

Given your reads i hate the 3 bet here, you hand is great multi way but horrible when heads up.
When you got 2 "solid" players to act after you i can see one of them holding TT,98,AK a lot of the time.
As played I am folding and not even thinking about it.
Would like too know why you 3bet? Was there some table dynamic in play or you just 3 bet with this hand a lot?

This looks like a set more than anything else. AK is not shoving and usually if a good player flats a 3bet oop he has a pp.

I dont like the 3bet either. You would have to throw away a good multiway hand to a 4bet.

Ok but does a good player ever ship this flop with a set in EP? This is AK way more than anything else, knowing someone can't fold QQ or 89
Best case scenario would be if he was suicidal playing off blockers with KK, which I can't seem to see him playing it this way, unless his read is the two solid villains in the blind are not interested and hero has a wide 3 betting range.
Regardless i would rather bluff catch with K9 than QJ

I still like 3! because it will usually end up heads up or 3 handed and I can use position and stack depth to my advantage. I had not 3 bet previously so I doubt v would put me on a wide range.