Never played with this group of players before, Been at the table maybe 2 hours.

Villain
has gone through maybe 6 buyins he is a lag, and a talker. I dont know it he is a winning lag or a spewer but he dose not seem to be tilting at all. He talks alot! one guy got in a huge fight with him earlier in the night when I think villain said he had a str8 the guy folded then villain showed the hand, 2 pair or something. Villain tried to give the guy his money back blah blah they escorted the other guy out.

Hero
Not sure what the table thinks of me, I am sitting around 200bb and they all saw me check raise the pot oop against a player who had just gone on tilt. Player jammed for $200 more on the flop hero called getting 2.5 or 3:1 with bottom pair and open ended str8 draw. So they think I can be tricky I suppose.

The Hand.

Hero is racking up his chips playing to utg
UTG KQ open for $20 villain calls on the cutoff button calls sb bb fold.

Flop comes 44Qrainbow I bet $60 Pretty quick, not sure if they even see me look at the board Villain raises $150 more, button folds hero calls.

Turn Q hero checks, Villain Bets 250$ Hero calls

Edit: sorry villain has $300 and change behind at this point, Hero covers


River blank, Hero?

villain is talking through the hole hand about chop chop, something about A high, bet to chop jiberish.

Easy ship

[QUOTE=Stacking Chips;37740194]Easy ship[/QUOTE ]

Do you think this will get max value? I'll include my read is villain has nothing, maybe 10% chance he has a 4. Possibly a Ace.

I feel like I messes up but wondering what others would do with this read.

Ship just looks fishy.. It's a max value shove. He's more Likely to call you light w an over bet..
If you value bet he can eaisly fold..
Don't make him think about your hand .
You just want him to think your trying to move him off of his.

All in!

check if your playing your read. after calling with two pair on board few will call a bet on the end and few will bluff at it. in general you are better off betting as most times the 4 will not bet it for you.

Ok, I shipped and he tank folded. Wondering it I missed some value or not.

maybe shove on turn he has put 420 in with 300 behind more than half his stack he might think your making a move and have a4 or nothing either way if he checks river he is folding don't think you played it wrong though

maybe shove on turn he has put 420 in with 300 behind more than half his stack he might think your making a move and have a4 or nothing either way if he checks river he is folding don't think you played it wrong though

What lead you to 1.5x pot size on the flop?

Once a villain like this takes the initiative in the hand, do you think his ego and disregard for money will make him fire the river? I mean, we have taken a pretty strong line ourselves here...I think b/c, c/c, ship folds out all the bluffs we would other wise get value from.

He's not calling a jam with ace high and rarely a 4. Us shipping and him calling with the other queen is obv nuetral ev, so let him retain the initiative by checking. If he checks back bluffs that we would have folded out otherwise, so what.

Cliffs:

The # of hands he bluffs river >>>> the # of hands he calls with.

maybe a fishy thing to say..... but why show a chop some times he is bluffing i feel the line we took was passive and a big hand wont get payed off later with a check because we already check/called a boat to the river

If villain is at all cognizant of stack sizes he can't really bluff shove river (not saying he won't do it if he's stupid, but it's less likely). He can however very easily feel committed with some mediocre hand. CRAI turn. If you do decide to c/c turn it's for the purpose of letting him bluff the river though, so c/c again there(or c/shove if his bet is somehow something other than shoving). C/c turn open-shove river is the worst line imo as it's inconsistent and you're never bluffing with it.

Pot was $68 on the flop, bet $20 to callers =$60 plus blinds $68

I think there is a pretty good chance he would fire but I dono. I just really don't know how I should have played it, if I jam he may think I am playing back at him just because of his type of play bit even then what Coyle he call with? This has got to be a easy check here or get fishy and toss $60 in there lol.

And yah coming back over the top on the turn may have been better...