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08-08-2011 , 12:02 PM
I welcome thoughts on all spots in this hand.

10-handed
EP ($1500)
EP+1 ($600)
MP/weak tight ($700)
MP+2/SLAG ($450)
Hero/CO (covers)

EP limps, EP+ 1 limps, MP (weak tight) makes it 40, MP+2 calls, hero calls in CO with 55, EP calls, EP+1 calls.

EP and EP+1 are huge fish and almost always calling here, never raising.

Flop ($200) 56A
check, check, MP bets $65, SLAG raises to $165, I cold call, 2 folds, MP calls.

Turn ($695) 56A6
SLAG shoves for $300, I reshove (~$450 more to MP).

1) When I call flop I plan on shipping non-heart turns, but does anyone dislike my first cold call? I don't have a great plan if MP ships over my cold call and I like my hand, but I didn't like not having a plan.

2) Better to just call the Turn shove with a plan of shoving most/all rivers? Results aside, I'm now thinking it would be.
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08-08-2011 , 12:54 PM
Can you please read some of the formats by other posters before posting again?

I have tried to re-read the scenario about 3x and I am still confused by who is who.

So on the turn, MP must have checked and SLAG shoves for $300 and you re-shove over the top?

MP could easily be holding AA in this spot, and less likely with Ax since A is on the board, and you're cold calling a raise with initial aggressor behind, signaling a very strong and narrow range.

I guess K/K is still possible, but the shove on the turn is pretty bad since you're never going to be called by a weak-tight player with worse hand. If MP was a decent player, your shove might look like a rather weak isolation raise and induce a call, but clearly this is not the case.

I hate the shove on the turn.

Last edited by poke4fun; 08-08-2011 at 01:03 PM.
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08-08-2011 , 01:05 PM
yeah, format is confusing, but I think I understand enough to make a few observations.

First, pf is bad. Weak tight player raises to $40 and then another player calls it cold? Fold the 5s. It seems that you got lucky to get to the flop 5 handed, which gives you decent odds. BUT, at the time you called, youre getting ~2-1 on your call, which is no good unless you're sure you can stack one of these guys if you hit because there is going to be a Cbet 99% of the time and you've got to fold unless you his a set.
I'm folding 5s preflop for 20BBs.

EDIT: taking another look at stack sizes, if you are relatively sure that one or both EPers will call the 40, I suppose its not as bad, given IO. But, if one of them puts in a 3!, then you're screwed. Still pretty meh on PF, but not so bad I suppose.

On the flop, you've got to raise to lock out AxK Calling is bad since AxKh or KxKh may decide to come along and a on the turn is going to kill you. I'm prob shoving over SLAG. AA is def in W/T MP's range, but you cant really worry about that at that point....

Once you hit gin on the turn, I dont see a reason to lock out MP. Just stay with the cold calling and see if you can get MP to come along.

Last edited by nc707; 08-08-2011 at 01:10 PM.
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08-08-2011 , 02:11 PM
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Originally Posted by poke4fun
Can you please read some of the formats by other posters before posting again?

I have tried to re-read the scenario about 3x and I am still confused by who is who.

So on the turn, MP must have checked and SLAG shoves for $300 and you re-shove over the top?

MP could easily be holding AA in this spot, and less likely with Ax since A is on the board, and you're cold calling a raise with initial aggressor behind, signaling a very strong and narrow range.

I guess K/K is still possible, but the shove on the turn is pretty bad since you're never going to be called by a weak-tight player with worse hand. If MP was a decent player, your shove might look like a rather weak isolation raise and induce a call, but clearly this is not the case.

I hate the shove on the turn.
Yes I missed the MP turn opening check.

I don't understand what else you don't understand. I think you're right about the reshove being worse than just calling turn.
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08-08-2011 , 02:16 PM
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Originally Posted by nc707
EDIT: taking another look at stack sizes, if you are relatively sure that one or both EPers will call the 40, I suppose its not as bad, given IO. But, if one of them puts in a 3!, then you're screwed. Still pretty meh on PF, but not so bad I suppose.
Yeah, I wasn't really worried about pf. I would say I was 90% sure both EP players would call, with a 9% chance one or both would fold and 1% chance of limp RR. This was a very fishy table, a 6-8bb raise would get called in 4 spots very frequently.
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08-08-2011 , 02:17 PM
nh.(turn shove is 200 more according to initial stacksizes.if reshove is 450 more,it only folds out hands like AK with FD,then there is an arguement for flatting)
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08-08-2011 , 02:27 PM
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Originally Posted by baat
nh.(turn shove is 200 more according to initial stacksizes.if reshove is 450 more,it only folds out hands like AK with FD,then there is an arguement for flatting)
$450 is a lot in live games.
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08-08-2011 , 02:28 PM
Sorry for the confusion, I believe MP (original raiser) had about $450 left in front of him to call my all in (I covered).
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08-08-2011 , 02:28 PM
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Originally Posted by poke4fun
$450 is a lot in live games.
that's what i've meant.
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08-08-2011 , 02:46 PM
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Originally Posted by poke4fun
$450 is a lot in live games.
I guess at the time I didn't think calling ~$450 to win ~$1450 was a lot, but I think perhaps you are correct and live players (mistakenly) think that it is. I don't play too often and this is something I was wondering about.
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