3-5 nl hero hasnt been at table long. V1 has been raising light, and I havent really seen anything from him yet, V2 has been playing really loose and overplaying bad hands. Relative stacks are 400.
Preflop:
V1 raise to 20 from cutoff, hero raise to 65 with AcKc, V2 calls from sb, V1 calls.
Flop(185)
10c8c6s
V2checks, V1 bets 100, Hero?
I feel this is probably a push, but I could be in trouble if V1 has K10 or A10 and im not sure if hes capable of folding when i push.

I would push here. You're in good shape against V1's donk betting range (pocket pairs, draws, pair + SD or pair + FD), and you're never drawing dead. You want him to call almost all of his hands here, and since you don't think he can fold when you push, this is an easy push.

for me its a shove, even vs A10 / K10 you have 12 twice, plus alot of fold eq, your line looks like AA or KK much more than AKs so i think even alot of stationy villains can find a fold.

And if he calls, just bink it obv

I prefer a shove. You still might get a villain off a straight draw or weak top pair, (maybe 15% fold equity?), plus 2 overs and NFD give you plenty of pot equity. If villain has a weaker flush draw he's drawing nearly dead. Pot equity + fold equity against his range is really strong.

easy shove imo

I think the fold equity is quite small. Does anyone else like a call to get v2 in the hand for more equity knowing we will act last on the turn and we can shove any check and call any bet getting the same results against near all hands, plus a chance at 100 more in the pot.

what about raising to 250 trying to get Vil involved?

our hand plays great against multiple opponents.

Terrible shove IMO if hero feels he/she has no FE.

IMO shove if you have any FE. Call if you have none.

eff stacks are 400

My initial post suggested just a call to try to get V2 in to the pot. If he's overplaying his hands, he might be the type to stack off light on the turn; however, we have a good chance to stack V1 on this flop, and our equity drops a bunch on the turn if we don't hit any of our outs. Even if we do hit one of our outs, it might kill the action. At this point, I'm happy just to get it in.

People keep talking about FE in this hand, but I don't really think FE matters much here. Yeah, it sucks when he shows up with a set, but we're ahead of most of his calling range. We're even slightly ahead of hands like JJ (which I assume most people want to fold here), and not in terrible shape against K10/A10 (we have about 45% equity against both). I think there are lots of hands V1 calls with that we have beat, so I'm happy to get it in vs. his entire range here.

What hands does he call with that we are ahead of? QQ/JJ/Q10/J10?

I'm thinking his calling range is something like:

Board: Tc 8c 6d
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 47.375% 47.05% 00.32% 29347 201.00 { AcKc }
Hand 1: 52.625% 52.30% 00.32% 32621 201.00 { QQ-TT, 88, 66, ATs, KTs, QTs, JTs, ATo, KTo, QTo, JTo }


I don't think he is going to donk bet a set here most of the time, but I'll leave those hands in his range since we don't know much about him. Since he donk bets the flop, I'm not inclined to believe his hand is too strong. I think a shove takes down a ~60 BB pot most of the time, and if we happen to get looked up, we're basically a coin flip. FWIW, I think he is donk betting with a much larger range than the one I outlined above (pair + SD type hands, for example), but I don't think he is calling with them. When I say that I want him to call with his entire donk betting range, I'm being optimistic

Good analysis. Looks like an easy shove now.

id minraise this. V2 overplays bad hands this gives him a reason to put into this pot with a worse hand then ours.

also the min raise basically commits V1. You say our equity is 47% HU but what about 3 way? like i said I think our hand plays great 3 ways.

My goal with this hand is to try to get my stack in with V1 and V2 stack.

only play here is shove. kinda sucks that we will hae to make some kinda hand as this bet is never air, but there is far too much dead in the pot to let a flip go.

If you want V2 in so bad, why are you advocating raising? Wouldn't a call be better? Isn't a player more likely to call just 1 raise as opposed to 2? Also, what makes you think V2 has any sort of hand here? He only called a raise preflop, and he checked the flop. He's shown no strength so far, so it's pretty unlikely that he wants to play for stacks.

I understand that we have a big hand here, and we want to get as much action as possible, but I don't think we're going to get any action from V2. Also, if we just call on the flop, our equity drops a bunch on the turn if we miss one of our outs and we lose the opportunity to get our stack in with this big hand. Even if we do hit a club on the turn, V1 might be less likely to play for stacks.

with these stacks, a case could easily be made for this. but we can taint some of our outs easily by allowing V1 in.