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02-07-2009 , 12:30 PM
Live Game in Ho-Chunk - Milwaukee on a Saturday night.
We are laying 7 seven handed

The button just lost an all-in pot with aces. The BB just sat down. I really have no reads except the button looks confident and knows a lot of people at the place. My image is a somewhat tight aggressive player. Effective stacks are $500.

PREFLOP
I raise UTG to $15 (standard was $20 but I wanted a little action) with JT
Middle position player calls Button calls, BB calls.

FLOP (pot is $60)
J6:3

I bet $40 and I am called by Button and BB

TURN (pot is $180)
J6:3K

We check all around

RIVER (pot still $180)
J6:3K7

BB bets $200 into me. I think and just call (not sure why I didnt push). The button immediately puts me all in for $245 more. There's now about $1,025 in the pot and I have to call $245.

Is this an automatic call? Does anyone fold here?
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02-07-2009 , 12:42 PM
not sure if i call this against a confident guy
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02-07-2009 , 01:25 PM
I think it is a fold. He is confident, he knows a lot of people around the place. He is probably a good player. No way he is bluffing. Even though it is 1025 in the pot and you have 245, no way you are ahead enough to make this call. I would shake his hand and open fold this flush.
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02-07-2009 , 10:41 PM
lol, are these serious responses? He knows people around there? or are you mocking OP? There's one had that beats you, Ad6d precisely. hands you beat are slow played sets and the big one is obv 45 which is the most likely considering how it was played. This is an insta-call and if I had more money and would not only call but raise
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02-08-2009 , 04:38 AM
Snap call without even going through the hand:


I would assume the button needs to have some piece of the flop to continue. If he's flushing, its backdoor and without the top pair as you have the Jd so that's a terrible call. If he's a regular surely he would have some idea of the odds of a runner-runner flush? He may have flopped a set, but the board isn't paired so he can't have a full house.

As poker 879 said, only a suckout Adxd or Qdxd possibly with a 6d to keep him the in the hand, beats you but 54 is much, much more likely to be his hand.
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02-08-2009 , 12:37 PM
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Originally Posted by tjacob7380
BB bets $200 into me. I think and just call (not sure why I didnt push). The button immediately puts me all in for $245 more. There's now about $1,025 in the pot and I have to call $245.
Are you asking if you should fold because you figure only an idiot would bluff AI knowing that you'd be getting just over 4:1 to call his bet (assuming BB folded to BTNs AI)? Or is it that you don't think it's possible he has 45, KJ, or slowplayed set?
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02-08-2009 , 01:13 PM
hell, he can have 5d7d, 2d4d 2d5d if he's an idiot, I guess if I include those I should include Kd6d too though, 77 is quite likely too. This is ******ed
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02-08-2009 , 02:16 PM
The guys is obviously value betting you and there is no way that he could have a smaller flush so he must have a bigger flush making this a tough but good fold if you made it. The only advice I could offer is to move up to a game where people actually respect your raises.
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02-08-2009 , 03:20 PM
This is a pretty standard fold. The button is confident and he just lost a big pot which we all know means hes more likely to have a big hand right after. Anyone saying call should reexamine their games imo.
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02-08-2009 , 09:23 PM
After 2-3 minutes, I eventually called. I really thought he had a flush. If he had a set, I really thought he would bet the turn to prtoect his hand(especially since he just took a real bad beat with aces the hand before). I thought maybe he had a set and was slowplaying, but I was leaning more towards a flush

He had A6 and scooped the pot.

He thought for sure I had a set, so I felt good knowing if he did have a lower flush he was pushing AI with that.......so my call wasnt total -EV. Oh well, thanks for the replies.
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02-08-2009 , 09:49 PM
Ya man, in live poker you need to use your reads on the guy to make decisions. It's way deeper than online to be honest because you can look your opponent directly in the soul and when you're on your game you can make great calls and folds. I still think that your call was -ev but next time when you're sure you're opponent is confident you need to muck the hand face up so people at the table will know not to bluff you in the future and then you can make way more money in the long run.
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02-09-2009 , 03:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Ricky1231
The only advice I could offer is to move up to a game where people actually respect your raises.
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Originally Posted by Ricky1231;8659021I
t's way deeper than online to be honest because you can look your opponent directly in the soul and when you're on your game you can make great calls and folds. I still think that your call was -ev but next time when you're sure you're opponent is confident you need to muck the hand face up so people at the table will know not to bluff you in the future and then you can make way more money in the long run.
These are amazing responses.
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02-09-2009 , 03:47 AM
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Originally Posted by tjacob7380
He had A6 and scooped the pot..
Aren't I good, I knew exactly what he had.
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02-09-2009 , 01:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Ricky1231
Ya man, in live poker you need to use your reads on the guy to make decisions. It's way deeper than online to be honest because you can look your opponent directly in the soul and when you're on your game you can make great calls and folds. I still think that your call was -ev but next time when you're sure you're opponent is confident you need to muck the hand face up so people at the table will know not to bluff you in the future and then you can make way more money in the long run.
I can't stop laughing. Brilliant!
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02-09-2009 , 02:15 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ricky1231
Ya man, in live poker you need to use your reads on the guy to make decisions. It's way deeper than online to be honest because you can look your opponent directly in the soul and when you're on your game you can make great calls and folds. I still think that your call was -ev but next time when you're sure you're opponent is confident you need to muck the hand face up so people at the table will know not to bluff you in the future and then you can make way more money in the long run.
Solid advice itt
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