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01-13-2015 , 02:22 PM

$FishWreck$

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Join Date: Aug 2013 Posts: 477

Hero ($240) MP - 40 year old white guy. Third orbit at table so no reliable reads. I am trying to move up stakes and choking up the bat while I do it.

Table has been fairly active and loose (at least compared to 1/3) while I have been there.

UTG+2 raises to $20. Hero flats w/ 44. Button calls. SB calls.

Flop ($80): K

SB checks. UTG+2 checks. Hero bets $40.

Button folds. SB pauses and then calls. UTG+2 folds.

Turn ($160): 5

SB, a middle aged Vietnamese woman who has been fairly active so far, checks. She is a somewhat talkative reg. No other reads than that.

Hero? charge ahead here as I'm fairly short stacked or play it soft?

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01-13-2015 , 03:00 PM

Madmaniac21

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You started the hand with 50bb, playing soft is ludicrous. Bet literally any amount.

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01-13-2015 , 03:10 PM

DeathCabForTootie

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We're so short so we might as well jam and hope she has a K.

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01-13-2015 , 03:28 PM

$FishWreck$

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Join Date: Aug 2013 Posts: 477

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Originally Posted by DeathCabForTootie

We're so short so we might as well jam and hope she has a K.

Thanks for the opinions guys. I am used to playing 1/3. Around here, 4 out of 5 V's in 1/3 is an extreme nit, and there would be no reason to think an unknown would pay off a psb here with TPMK or TPWK. However, I am learning that 3/5 is not as tight.

Hero bets $80 with $80 left behind. V shoves. Hero calls.

V tables 76o. Hero mucks without showing.

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01-13-2015 , 03:37 PM

TKO121

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I don't like the preflop call. you're not playing deep enough to set mine. As played, play fast GII.

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01-13-2015 , 03:47 PM

sierradave

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Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 920

Sorry to hear about the bad beat, but there would be absolutely no excuse for not gii here. You have one pot sized bet, you have a well-disguised set, and the only hands that got there are gutshot draws.

I would've bet $100, setting up a trivial river shove. $80/80 and jamming the turn are also acceptable choices. Not getting all of your money in is the only unacceptable choice.

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01-13-2015 , 03:53 PM

Jay S

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Originally Posted by TKO121

I don't like the preflop call. you're not playing deep enough to set mine. As played, play fast GII.

Setmining getting ~12:1 isn't always bad in and of itself. The bigger concern here is that we don't seem to have any reads on the pf raiser, so we really don't know how likely it is we'll get stacks in when we hit our set. I'd like to know that his range is premiums and he has trouble folding TPTK+ before calling pre. If we're winning $20-$50 reasonably often when we hit our set, then yes, the implied odds are definitely not there.

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01-13-2015 , 04:46 PM

attogcinc

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Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 201

OP, what were stack sizes? I assume all villains had you covered.

OTF, I would have bet a little more, mainly due the stack sizes. After calling the PFR, you have $220 left. $80 in the pot. If you bet $60, and get one caller, the pot will be $200 and you will have $160 left. That makes it a more natural all in bet on the turn for you, rather than the situation you found yourself in on the turn ($180 left for a $160 pot).

Sucks that villain sucked out to a gutshot on you on the turn. In theory, you benefited from her poor call in the long term.

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01-13-2015 , 04:56 PM

DefendMyBlinds

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Originally Posted by Jay S

It is that bad with 6 players to act behind at a loose table.

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01-13-2015 , 05:25 PM

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attogcinc

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Originally Posted by DefendMyBlinds

It is that bad with 6 players to act behind at a loose table.

Loose passive? No.

Loose aggressive? I'd say yes. You're risking getting raised off of your small pair and no longer have the right odds to call.

The OP described the table as loose, but didn't provide information as to the aggressiveness of the opponents. Judging a typical game though, likely loose passive.

Last edited by attogcinc; 01-13-2015 at 05:31 PM.

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01-13-2015 , 05:48 PM

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$FishWreck$

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Originally Posted by attogcinc

OP, what were stack sizes? I assume all villains had you covered.

Yup. Everybody had me covered.

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01-13-2015 , 05:57 PM

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$FishWreck$

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Originally Posted by attogcinc

Table was pretty loose. More aggression postflop than pre. Lots of limping and calling of raises preflop - you know...a table full of Vietnamese. This was evident at time of the hand. Very little 3-betting. This wasn't as evident until later, but I suspected it.

Given preflop bet size, my EP flat, and what I had seen of table dynamics, I expected 2 maybe even 3 flats behind me. Not sure of it though. Yes, I easily could have lost $20 getting blown off my hand.

GII shortstack postflop against more than one V if I hit a set was a possibility if V's decided they liked their hands.

Last edited by $FishWreck$; 01-13-2015 at 06:02 PM.

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01-13-2015 , 06:08 PM

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SwolyswoND

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Flop bet should be higher. Kx isn't folding. Otherwise, yeah, GII. Sucks that you got gutshotted.

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01-13-2015 , 06:18 PM

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attogcinc

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Originally Posted by $FishWreck$

That's what I presumed. I was answering another poster's question about calling pre with 6 behind in a loose game. There are different kinds of loose games is what I was getting at.

I happen to think your call is fairly marginal, given stack sizes and your position.

But you hit your hand. You're getting it all in as fast as you can, but at the very least by the turn. I've provided my comments about how I think you should have played the flop and then the turn in the hand.

Again, too bad you got sucked out on and weren't up against Kx.

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