Alright I have 44 on the SB, OR/UTG is a lagtard maniac who bets out hard with gut shots and draws and running very hot and build up his stack to 1100. 2nd villan is a pretty ABC type player who's pretty solid and has been running kinda badly.

UTG raises to 15, 5 callers, I call, BB completes.

flop comes 4 9 8 hh. With the 4 and 9 as the hearts.

check, check, OR bets out 85!, fold fold, guy with around 230 shoves!, folded to me, now there's no way I fold in this spot IMO, the question is how do I extract max value from OR. OR can literally have anything and can be cbetting with just about anything as well. I feel calling would give him odds to call with draws but would really disguise my hand strength as he'll be calling/shoving with hands I dominate. Any thought is really appreciated. Will post results in about 24 hrs.

i will reshove here...

If you shove, then Villain has to call around 500 to win 1125 (75 + 230 + 735 + 85), so you might get a call from a AK hand. But does he call your shove with an overpair? What's your image? Is Villain such lagtard that your image and pot-odds are irrelevant?

Just a call is not out of the question here, with a plan to donk turn (1/3 pot), so you can set-up an easy river shove. Also, if you just flat, maniac may overshove with an overpair, since he may put you on the flush/straight draw (maniacs can over-protect big hands sometimes).

This really comes down to ranging this Villain properly, especially as sometimes we believe "maniacs" play so wide that we can't range them whatsoever. How often is he drawing when potting the flop? Have you seen him play an overpair hand that got to showdown? How does he play overcards on these boards?

I'm not fully convinced that shoving flop is the best way of getting maximum value for your hand here. I mean, shoving could be the best line, but I think other lines need to be considered.

First isnt it 120 preflop? 8*15=120

I think in this situation you should tank call. Once you shove only big draws such as an OESFD or Sets will call. I don't think even a maniac will call with one pair here such as 9,10, JJ, but perhaps will with QQ+. Lets say you call and he did have something like one pair, you are committing him to call you on the turn. Once he calls the 230 total, there will be close to 800 in the pot and you will have 500 left. If a bad card falls on the turn you have opportunity to pot control and re-evaluate. If a good card comes you can go all in.

flat, don't fold on any turn

I think about 6-7 people called pre flop including me and the bb. I don't remember. Anyways, would like a few more answers and reasoning before I post what happened.

I wouldn't bother trying to find the optimal move here...it's not something I would be concerned about at the table (It's over my head)..that said:

I know two cats got money in the pot and the BB may have a peice as well...so I ship it