1st time posting in this section and im on my phone so please bear with me and let me know how to better flesh the hand out as I'm not the most descriptive.

Hero: Button.

mid-late 20's middle eastern dude, recreational player, but I like to think that I'm a decent player. Recently came to the table after my last one broke. Stack at about 870.

V1: CO

Mid 20's white guy, not much to go on other than I noticed he seemed to know some of the staff, which made me think he's a reg. Has hero covered easily.


V2: younger Asian guy. Not much to go on.
V3: older Asian guy.

Preflop: v2 limps, v3 limps, v1 limps, Hero raises to 25 with Ad8s OTB, sb folds, BB folds, All Vs call.

Pot: 105

Flop: 844dd

Checked to hero who bets 80. Fold, fold, V1 think for a short while and reraises to 280. Hero calls relatively quickly planning to reevaluate on the turn. I just don't see how he has a made hand here unless its 5/4 or A4(less likely).

Pot: 660.

Turn: Kh

Villain goes all in, hero?

Results and my in hand analysis later.

Pre flop I'd prefer to raise bigger if I want to raise here so that I'm more likely to get this heads up or three way. $25 usually isn't going to thin the field much at all.

Flop I'd make it a touch but smaller, mayeb $65 - $70. We likely have the best hand here, but given that we have the Ad blocker, we aren't as worried about diamond draws. It lessens the chance that it hits, and when it does if we are worried about it we can check the turn and see a free river with a draw to the nuts.

Preflop, I'm not a big fan of squeezing with A8o. If your are going to squeeze, raise more so it's heads up. Flop bet is obvious after you hit, the situation after that is murky. With no other information on villain, I'm folding to the flop raise because an over pair is likely here. When the king hits on turn and villain shoves, I would need a good reason to think villain is maniac to continue. A good villain may be bluffing here, but if you where just c-betting flop then the king on the turn should be likely to hit your range.

fold flop

Fold pre

haha I am villain. Ill post some thoughts later.

fold pre, check flop, as played bet smaller, as played take longer to call on flop, now call

i definitely made some assumptions to get there though, one of the main ones being that i think v has <Khi very often after c/r the flop

knew I had made the mistake of raising pretty quickly, should of been 35 pre I think.


My thoughts at the time were that an overpair never makes sense here, villain who I believed to believed to be a thinking player because of his age/appearance coupled with his familiarity with the staff, is always raising 99+ in the CO in a multi-way limped pot. I hardly entertained the idea he had an overpair.

OTT- The bet didn't seem to make sense.V at this point must be putting me on a big pocket pair, if he does have a 4, why not bet smaller then get it in on the river? Everything seemed to point to villain trying to push me off my hand with air or at best a flush draw. Though he could of taken this line with KQdd KJdd K10dd.

awesome looking forward to it.
I'm not sure why we should check the flop. Checked around with TPTK and a ton of cards that we don't want to see, I thought a cbet here would be standard. Bet smaller I agree with. I didn't snap call, thought for about 10 seconds. Is there a particular reason you say that?

That is certainly possible, but I hate banking on that against an unknown villain. There are villains who never have an over pair or 4X here but most will at least some of the time. Good villains are actually likely to play 4X like this, hoping to stack opponents who can't fold an over pair.

When he shoves the turn, I would need a good read on villain to continue. I would mostly just give this up on the flop, but not always because villain could have a middle pair or draw and there is a remote chance of a bluff since this looks like a flop that should have missed hero. When he shoves turn, it is very polarizing, villain either has a big hand, or air. For some villains a diamond draw with a king is very likely on turn, but those hands all beat hero now.

Pre isn't good. Just fold or raise to 40-50

Oh, as played fold.

as said before, more preflop. smaller on flop. i would prob fold pre more often than not.

given lack of history, i dont think reggish villains would want to rely on you folding an overpair here. the fact that you have Ad significantly decreases his number of semibluff combos. and the fact that the turn is an offsuit K, means that a fair amount of his semibluffs are actually beating you now. the only hands you are really beating after his turn shove are like QJdd, QTdd, 76dd, 75dd, 65dd.

you dont beat enough combos to call turn imo. and villain description and having the Ad blocker, i think you should probably fold the flop.

standard is to fold pre and fold to c/r on flop.

if you want to squeeze light pre, as others have said, make it more so you dont get called in multiple spots sheesh.

I am the villain in the hand.

My thoughts during the hand were basically my default thoughts when I see a new middle eastern younger guy sit down. My basis for the whole play is you would have a hard time stacking off without AA, AK, KK QQ on the turn. Most people dont play for stacks without the nuts after 2 orbits.

I discounted (rightly or wrongly) AK KK and QQ JJ just because most Players will raise a little bit more to "protect" those hands.

FWIW I was a reg at commerce in a different life. Now I just play for fun and to blow off steam.

people are capable of going bat**** insane on paired flops -if you called the flop, i think you call the turn, though i'm not a fan at all of pre.

Maybe I'm biased because I know the v is a 2+2er but this is not a value or pot control line. This reaks of combo draw going ape**** or pure bluff. My only fear is somethibg like KTdd that just backed into to pair. I think calling is high variance but +ev.

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Absolutely, I've blown off a few stacks making that mistake myself.


Those were pretty much my thoughts.

Thanks for the advice otherwise everybody, pre was an obvious blunder, right as I got 3 callers I was berating myself for playing pre flop weak.


Results.


Hero thinks things over for a bit and calls, river bricks and V shows 65o.

NH mrRR