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3/5 - big hand, how many marginal decisions? 3/5 - big hand, how many marginal decisions?

01-13-2015 , 07:54 PM
3/5 - loose table, predominantly Vietnamese. One Korean lady. Two other white guys. Loose. Plenty of raising pre. Plenty of limp/calling. Not much 3-betting.

Hero ($480) CO - 40 year old white guy. Playing tight. Stacked for $250 and rebought. Table denied me action. Started stealing pre and c-betting every flop that wasn't terrible for about an hour to double up by nicks and cuts. They are now giving me action. They are not folding when I raise from position pre.

V3($350) Big Blind - 40 year old Vietnamese dressed like a longshoreman. Loose, Aggressive but definitely has a fold button. Raises twice an orbit. Bluffs frequently postflop. Not sure how big he will go.

V1 (covers) UTG - middle aged Vietnamese woman who stacked me. Seems competent but limps and calls pre with all kinds of marginal hands. More disciplined postflop. Usually checks to the raiser with strong hands until turn or river. Winning.

V2 (covers) UTG+2 - young Vietnamese male. Dressed like a Yakuza but soft spoken. Seems loose and aggressive but he's only been here 10 minutes. He's been very active and has slown down V3.



V1 limps. V2 limps. Hero looks down from CO and sees J9 and limps. Tight Button tapping around with 2+2 on his I-pad folds. BB raises to $20. All call.

Flop ($80) - J83::

V3 checks. V1 checks. V2 bets $40. Hero Calls.


Turn ($240): 9

All check to hero who bets $120. V3 calls. V1 folds. V2 calls.

River ($600): 5

V3 and V2 check to hero who checks behind.

Bet for value on River? Loose limp/call pre? Okay flop call? Sizing on turn?
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01-13-2015 , 08:11 PM
Not betting the river is a big mistake. Looks good otherwise.

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01-13-2015 , 08:20 PM
175 riv value
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01-13-2015 , 08:39 PM
As played, OTR it looks like you have only $300 left in your stack and the pot is $600. In game, admittedly, I probably check behind with two opponents as well, but thinking about it, the only hands that beat you are Q10, 107, or a very passively played set.

More likely that the PFR had a J or big pair, and V2 semibluffed OTF with a draw. The river didn't help either of them.

Considering stack size, and the fact that they've been giving you action, I think all in stands to get called by worse here under the conditions as described by hero.

FWIW, I would have bet bigger OTT. $150 OTT charges them a little more for their draws, and sets up a 1/2 pot sized bet OTR if you get one caller.

I'm fine with your call pre. Raising OTF, after the PFR checked, may have been better, but it looks like it worked out for you.
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01-13-2015 , 11:58 PM
Shove river.
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01-14-2015 , 03:09 AM
Definitely 1/2 PSB shoving river for value. Yes, we value own ourselves occasionally against a very weirdly played straight or set, but given our image and the dynamics at this table, we can get hero called reasonably often on this runout; the river shove would look super polarizing and lots of draws missed.
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01-14-2015 , 03:56 AM
Turn should have been bigger imo. Board still wet and no real draw completed besides a gutter. You could have made it 175 or so and still get called I'm thinking.

As played I would bet 200 or maybe a bit smaller.
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01-14-2015 , 04:24 AM
im not a fan of the flop call, lucky we hit the turn.

ap, shoving river for sure. we have 1/2 PSB left and we are doing this for value. we have top2 and sets would have bet or raised the turn since we have low SPR.
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01-14-2015 , 12:34 PM
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Originally Posted by $FishWreck$
3/5 - loose table, predominantly Vietnamese. One Korean lady. Two other white guys. Loose. Plenty of raising pre. Plenty of limp/calling. Not much 3-betting.

Hero ($480) CO - 40 year old white guy. Playing tight. Stacked for $250 and rebought. Table denied me action. Started stealing pre and c-betting every flop that wasn't terrible for about an hour to double up by nicks and cuts. They are now giving me action. They are not folding when I raise from position pre.

V3($350) Big Blind - 40 year old Vietnamese dressed like a longshoreman. Loose, Aggressive but definitely has a fold button. Raises twice an orbit. Bluffs frequently postflop. Not sure how big he will go.

V1 (covers) UTG - middle aged Vietnamese woman who stacked me. Seems competent but limps and calls pre with all kinds of marginal hands. More disciplined postflop. Usually checks to the raiser with strong hands until turn or river. Winning.

V2 (covers) UTG+2 - young Vietnamese male. Dressed like a Yakuza but soft spoken. Seems loose and aggressive but he's only been here 10 minutes. He's been very active and has slown down V3.



V1 limps. V2 limps. Hero looks down from CO and sees J9 and limps. Tight Button tapping around with 2+2 on his I-pad folds. BB raises to $20. All call.

Flop ($80) - J83::

V3 checks. V1 checks. V2 bets $40. Hero Calls.


Turn ($240): 9

All check to hero who bets $120. V3 calls. V1 folds. V2 calls.

River ($600): 5

V3 and V2 check to hero who checks behind.

Bet for value on River? Loose limp/call pre? Okay flop call? Sizing on turn?

Hero shows his two pair as he checks behind. Both Villains muck. V1, the pfr, seems like he missed a draw. V2 stares at the board and the two pair for a bit. He thought he won after I checked behind. I think he felt his hand was underrepped and would have called a river bet.

He was loose, and he hadn't been at the table long enough to get a sense of how tight I was playing. I think he would have called a river shove. My first instinct was to bet $150 - $190 but I would have had to call a raise and wouldn't have liked it.

Last edited by $FishWreck$; 01-14-2015 at 12:41 PM.
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01-14-2015 , 12:39 PM
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Originally Posted by bombonanza
im not a fan of the flop call, lucky we hit the turn.

ap, shoving river for sure. we have 1/2 PSB left and we are doing this for value. we have top2 and sets would have bet or raised the turn since we have low SPR.
I wasn't a fan of the flop call as I was making it, but pfr checked and the loose aggressive (but not maniacal) limp/caller bet small and I was the first caller. I felt I couldn't fold there with top pair. I would have been folding to a sizable bet on the turn unless I improved in some way. Not sure if that's a leak. I wasn't happy to see two more callers behind.

Last edited by $FishWreck$; 01-14-2015 at 12:49 PM.
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01-14-2015 , 06:24 PM
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Originally Posted by $FishWreck$
I wasn't a fan of the flop call as I was making it, but pfr checked and the loose aggressive (but not maniacal) limp/caller bet small and I was the first caller. I felt I couldn't fold there with top pair. I would have been folding to a sizable bet on the turn unless I improved in some way. Not sure if that's a leak. I wasn't happy to see two more callers behind.
I dont mind the flop call, he's betting tons of hands we beat and the PFR checked which means we are most likely ahead of him as well. Not betting this river is a huge leak though.
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