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3/5 bet river or check it back? 3/5 bet river or check it back?

11-30-2013 , 11:50 PM
3/5 nl

Hero: $550
Villain: around $900

This hand occured about 3 orbits into my session. I hadn't picked up too much on villain yet.

Villain: 30ish white male wearing a striped hoodie and one of those Kangol hats. I think he had a preflop sizing tell because I saw him raise to $25 over limpers twice and take it down w/o a showdown, and once he raised a limp to $15 and showed down 66. He seemed kind of noobish. Didn't know the rule that he needed to have his greens in front of his stack. Seemed to definitely have a clue.

Hero: 30ish white male with kind of an "aggro look" or so they tell me. Buzzcut mohawk, beard, hoodie. My buddy came over from his 5/5plo game a couple times in the last half hour to chat and just walked by with 3 racks on his way to the cage to call me a donkey on his way out of the room. So, villain will probably assume that I'm a reg of some sort. I've only played a couple hands. Only interesting hand: I limped utg+1 and utg+2 raised to $15. Villain called to his left and button called. I made it $85 and they all folded. I have yet to open raise when this hand comes up.

Hand:
4 limps to me and I limp Ad2d in the CO. Villain in SB completes, BB checks

Pot (30-5)
Flop: K34r
Villain leads from SB for $25, I call

Pot (75)

Turn: A (completes rainbow)
Villain leads $55, I call

Pot (185)
River: 8
Villain thinks for awhile and starts staring at me, trying to soul-read me. It starts to get ridiculous and I laugh and say, "What are you looking for?" After like 5 seconds, he checks.

Are we value-betting here? If so, what size do you like?

I know I could've played flop differently, and maybe the turn as well. I'm most interested in the river, but if anyone feels strongly that I mis-played earlier streets, feel free to discuss. Thanks a lot.
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12-01-2013 , 12:18 AM
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Originally Posted by slothmancometh
3/5 nl

Hero: $550
Villain: around $900

This hand occured about 3 orbits into my session. I hadn't picked up too much on villain yet.

Villain: 30ish white male wearing a striped hoodie and one of those Kangol hats. I think he had a preflop sizing tell because I saw him raise to $25 over limpers twice and take it down w/o a showdown, and once he raised a limp to $15 and showed down 66. He seemed kind of noobish. Didn't know the rule that he needed to have his greens in front of his stack. Seemed to definitely have a clue.

Hero: 30ish white male with kind of an "aggro look" or so they tell me. Buzzcut mohawk, beard, hoodie. My buddy came over from his 5/5plo game a couple times in the last half hour to chat and just walked by with 3 racks on his way to the cage to call me a donkey on his way out of the room. So, villain will probably assume that I'm a reg of some sort. I've only played a couple hands. Only interesting hand: I limped utg+1 and utg+2 raised to $15. Villain called to his left and button called. I made it $85 and they all folded. I have yet to open raise when this hand comes up.

Hand:
4 limps to me and I limp Ad2d in the CO. Villain in SB completes, BB checks

Pot (30-5)
Flop: K34r
Villain leads from SB for $25, I call

Pot (75)

Turn: A (completes rainbow)
Villain leads $55, I call

Pot (185)
River: 8
Villain thinks for awhile and starts staring at me, trying to soul-read me. It starts to get ridiculous and I laugh and say, "What are you looking for?" After like 5 seconds, he checks.

Are we value-betting here? If so, what size do you like?

I know I could've played flop differently, and maybe the turn as well. I'm most interested in the river, but if anyone feels strongly that I mis-played earlier streets, feel free to discuss. Thanks a lot.

Villain description seems self contradictory.

As played... Meh. I honestly doubt he is calling much here so there is some merit to betting just so he folds and we don't show down. Not a huge mistake either way here. But if we do bet and he raises, it's not a bluff. The stare down might have been to induce a bet from you.
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12-01-2013 , 02:13 AM
I'm just checking back here almost everytime. I think V will call with a K here a portion of the time, but not enough to make it a value bet imo
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12-01-2013 , 02:20 AM
fold flop?
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12-01-2013 , 02:33 AM
I would think my Ace is good on the river most of the time but probably still just call and go to show down. I think it's a marginal call spot on the flop you are drawing to probably 7 outs, calling a close to pot sized bet, and have pretty limited implied odds for hitting any part of your draw.
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12-01-2013 , 02:45 AM
I would rather raise flop than flat. As played I'd vbet the river 60 and hope to get looked up by Kx and not expect him to c/r bluff often.
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12-01-2013 , 03:18 AM
Eh, I mean if we knew villain was a station, then I could find a value bet here. However, read doesn't tell me that, so I think we should check back here. Just a really thin spot against an unknown. Showing down let's us see his cards and gives us some more info. I think he'd be hard pressed to call a bet with a Kx, bad kicker.
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12-01-2013 , 04:01 AM
i think in this spot you want to bet 30 so that he spite calls you with something

i dont think the bet is that thin and at that price Kx always calls.

it sucks to chop with A5 tho, most people dont lead a gutty multiway on this texture, and if he did he might value bet it on the river

not a huge fan of the flop call, you'd better have a plan for the turn and the river. i assume you have backdoor diamonds and would hope that you would plan on raising any diamond turn
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12-01-2013 , 07:59 AM
As played, I'd bet about $65 on the river to get called by Kx because V will think he's getting decent enough odds to make the call at about 4:1. If faced with a c/r, I fold. If he has A5, then gg. If he has A2, then that's okay too.
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12-01-2013 , 08:50 AM
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Originally Posted by pikkupossu
i think in this spot you want to bet 30 so that he spite calls you with something

i dont think the bet is that thin and at that price Kx always calls.

it sucks to chop with A5 tho, most people dont lead a gutty multiway on this texture, and if he did he might value bet it on the river

not a huge fan of the flop call, you'd better have a plan for the turn and the river. i assume you have backdoor diamonds and would hope that you would plan on raising any diamond turn
A5 is not a chop

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12-01-2013 , 11:34 AM
i don't think vill has Kx that often since he led the A turn (I usually see noobs trying to get to showdown with second pair when an A turns). After staredown, vills range is somewhat polarize to air (though why is he leading the flop multiway with air) or a very strong hand that wants to c/raise). Because of the flop lead (which could be sets or a SD) and the turn continuation bet, I'm more inclined to check it down (especially since A3/A4/A5 are also in his range). If he hadn't bet the turn, I'd be betting the river to get a call from a lot of Ks.
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12-01-2013 , 01:49 PM
I think I like calling the flop least of the three options the more I think about it. Folding can't be too bad, and I think I prefer raising it. Thanks for all the comments.
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12-01-2013 , 05:40 PM
will he call $25? Then bet that.
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12-01-2013 , 09:12 PM
V leads into 7 people fairly large then bets the turn fairly large.
I hate the flop call, and I'm not loving calling the turn. You're compounding errors by calling on the flop and now feeling you have to call on the turn because you spiked top pair. Just fold the flop and this hand can just go away.

Definitely check back the river, he's either got like 56 or air and is being super aggro or he's going for a c/r with 2pair+. Might even have A5 and is c/c river.
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