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3/5 - 3 betting ranges late position 3/5 - 3 betting ranges late position

02-04-2018 , 02:50 AM
Fairly loose 3/5 game. -- most post seen 4 and 5 way for $25 - $35 opens. -- not alot of people 3 betting.

Fairly weak play from most players on the flop, if they did not connect they would fold to a bet.

Villain is a mid 30's white woman. -- arrived about an hour ago to the table, have seen her open maybe 3 times in that time.

Villain (UTG+1) - opens to $25 (~1k stack)
2 other players call $25 (these 2 players have been calling many single raises, but usually release to a 3-bet if large enough)
Hero is on the hijack or the cutoff and has 66.

Is 66 too ambitious to add to a 3 bet range in late position .. my thought process was that a 3-bet may either take down the $83 in the pot -- the villain can probably only continue with AA, KK, AK, QQ .. since she has to worry about the other 2 players left of her. -- and i'm not sure she'll want to play in a big pot our of posisiton without a premium hand.

the two other players that called are most likely going to fold to a large 3 bet as they have in the past.

-- given that you would be the 4th person in to the pot for $25 .. and 66 is going to play rather badly against 3 other opponents if you dont hit a 6 or some sort of 4 to a straight -- can you mix in the occasional 3-bet with this pair, or should you just set-mine here?

if a 3-bet is reasonable what sizing would you pick ? -- i thought it had to be large enough to get rid of the middle callers, ~85 min? ..
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02-04-2018 , 02:58 AM
I don't think it's a terrible hand to 3bet but I also think in a lot of games low PPs with position end up bring more profitable as calls. If the table is deep/sticky postflop I like this much better as a call. If they are fit or fold like you say I'd raise to around 125 here. Wouldn't consistently 3bet this but mixing in certainly seems fine if you don't have a loose image
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02-04-2018 , 03:17 AM
Please find much worse hands to be 3bet bluffing jn games like this rather than 66
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02-04-2018 , 04:13 AM
66 is a very bad hand to use as a threebet. It has great value as a hand to flat and hit a set with. When you use it as a light threebet, you squander that value. Moreover, it doesn't have any blocking value. You want something like an ace in your hand so that it's more unlikely the raiser has hands like AA and AK. Suited Ax are the best light threebetting hands generally. Even a suited Kx or unsuited Ax would be a better hand to threebet with than 66.

In general it's better not to narrowly focus on the particular hand you have, but instead think about how you will play your whole range in that spot. So rather than thinking "should I light threebet this 66 in this spot?" think "what hands in my range is it best to light threebet in this spot?".
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02-04-2018 , 04:43 AM
Never 3! 66 OTB here facing this action.
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02-04-2018 , 04:47 AM
Johnny dont say never..

Yes 66 3b here can be justified vs specific V's but in general 3b a hand like J10s might be better for ur image

Great 3b spot though given that 2 V's flatted the original open.. given that they didnt 3b themselves if OR folds they are not getting correct odds to call
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02-04-2018 , 05:03 AM
If you are looking to expand your 3bet range in this spot, you want to pick hands that aren't quite strong enough, or barely strong enough, to call. Hands like A2s-A5s, 65s, 75s, etc. work well.
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02-04-2018 , 05:33 AM
What are the stack sizes of hero, V2 and V3?

It would suck to raise to 100 then get jammed on by someone with a stack of 300.

If you believe that one of the biggest leaks of 3/5 is that villains overvalue overpairs and TPTK then this would seem like a dream situation to setmine.

AA/KK/QQ/AK and maybe JJ seem like other good candidates to 3bet with in this spot.

With no other info and 3 opponents in the pot I don't see this as a great spot to be 3-betting light with A2s-A5s and suited connectors. Even if we were up against a raise and only a single call, I would want to have gathered some more info about the initial raiser in UTG+1 before justifying getting out of line.

Admittedly she seems to be opening a reasonable amount but I want to see more.
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02-04-2018 , 05:54 AM
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Originally Posted by ricardo-sf

-- given that you would be the 4th person in to the pot for $25 .. and 66 is going to play rather badly against 3 other opponents if you dont hit a 6 or some sort of 4 to a straight -- can you mix in the occasional 3-bet with this pair, or should you just set-mine here?

if a 3-bet is reasonable what sizing would you pick ? -- i thought it had to be large enough to get rid of the middle callers, ~85 min? ..
Yes Ricardo. Love the way u are thinking about this hand. U are not 3b for value but u are making a squeeze play. If original raiser does not call ur 3b then the other 2 players in hand are not getting the correct odds to call if u pop it up to 85-90

I would even sizing wise anywhere between 75-100 is reasonable, it depends on ur stack size and V stack size, and what u are trying to accomplish. If u think by 3b 100 then the other V will fold than do that if they are going to call u 75.

Nice hand
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