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3/5, 100BB, facing shove after another player already AI 3/5, 100BB, facing shove after another player already AI

03-30-2011 , 06:26 PM
Hero, fairly TAG, up, only showed one second nut hand. Villain A, on tilt, short stack, 17BB. Villain B, seems to fold a lot on river after calling down, not very solid, but do not have much history.

Effective stack: $500.

Villain B limps UTG + 1, Villain B limps in HJ, hero in CO raises to $25 with AQ. SB calls, both villains call.

(Pot $100)
Flop is AJ10.

Villain B checks, Villain A shoves for 12 BB, hero?
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03-30-2011 , 07:16 PM
Hero min raises, Villain B shoves all in after tanking for about 30 seconds.
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03-30-2011 , 07:41 PM
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Originally Posted by poke4fun
Hero min raises, Villain B shoves all in after tanking for about 30 seconds.
Not a fan of the minraise there.

As played, fold. That's a healthy shove, and all we have is TPGK and a gutshot.
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03-30-2011 , 07:47 PM
Preflop: $25 isn't bad, but after 2 limpers I'd raise slightly larger.

Flop: Call. With no side pot you don't have to worry about being bluffed or semi-bluffed when you just call. Even though the board is coordinated you don't have to worry as much about protecting your hand because an Ax flush draw is impossible, and the Q will remove an out from the most likely draws your opponents could have. When draws do get there you'll always have position and a redraw so the risk of letting someone with 98 or 65 stay in isn't devastating.

What you do have to worry about are bigger made hands from the remaining players. AJ, AT, JT, KQ and also JJ & TT from the SB are all possiblities. If you call and one of these hands are held by your opponents you'll lose less.

Just my opinion...
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03-30-2011 , 07:52 PM
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Originally Posted by poke4fun
Hero min raises, Villain B shoves all in after tanking for about 30 seconds.
I didn't see this part until after I posted. Fold to the raise. It's now possible your opponent could be semi-bluffing because there's a side pot to go after once you raise. That said, the side pot is still small and your opponent is representing a very big hand when he makes a reraise vs. an all-in player and a player who has already raised on two streets.

Just my opinion...
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03-30-2011 , 08:55 PM
After the fact, I realized that min raise is almost the worst thing I could do here. Min raise is small enough that it doesn't commit me, at the same time it announces that I have a weak hand. Even worse, when villain shoves on top of my min raise and I fold, he's now freerolling for the main pot...

Turns out villain had 7/8 of hearts when he shoved, could I have done anything differently?
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03-30-2011 , 09:06 PM
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Originally Posted by poke4fun
could I have done anything differently?
I think you answered your own question. I think a call is way better than a minraise in this spot.
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03-30-2011 , 10:54 PM
On flop, either call shorties push, or RR pot. In a tournament, I RR pot all day lonng to Iso shorty. In a cash game... against described Vs I think I just call the original bet and ride the variance roller coaster.

As played, I think we have to fold. While there are a lot of combo-draw/pair+draw hands in V's range to do this, that is a very significant bet, and hits flopped straight and 2-pair for this type of V's l/c range pretty hard.
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