1/3 NLHE, 8 handed.

V - Competent TAG kid. Has a x/r range. Posts on here most likely. Thinks a lot and uses solvers. Plays full time and knows the game well. Plays 5/10 usually and 2/5 sometimes, right now only 1/3 going so he's at our table. He moved over from another table and was at about 900$ and bled down a bit and has been losing some tough hands, never shown down. I know he's on the tighter side of good players. Very positionally aware. Main weaknesses imo are he isn't 'calibrated' for 1/3... he'll spout off about how someone shouldn't be raising ATs from UTG+1 to a CO 3-bet or blah blah blah because solver said only do that at X% frequency blah blah blah.. he levels himself. People are mostly just looking at their two cards. HH: folds to H in CO who opens ATs, V 3-bets from blinds, H defends, HU to a flop of K-K-6, x x, turn K-K-6-5, he x, I bet small, he calls, river K-K-6-5-K he x I x he has 88, I muck.


We both have about 700$ for this hand.

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Hero opens K Q to 10 UTG, folds to V in BTN who 3-bets to 25, I just call, HU.

Flop 50 - A K 9

checks through

Turn 50 - 7

checks through

River 50 - 3

checks through

thoughts?

His 3 bet size seems too small given the stack sizes. I would probably split a 4bet with this hand vs this player.

I think river is worth a bet. Not too many Aces that check back twice and you have the best Kx and he's not likely to stab on this line.

Seems like he has a pair JJ/TT that wants to showdown quite often I would bet like 40% pot.

KQs is at the bottom of my EP range at the best of times. But with this guy on the Button (he's one of the best in the room, amirite?) it probably just goes into my nitty open fold preflop range. And regarding facing the 3bet, I've said this a million times: with no other significant money in the pot overcoming the rake, it is only possible to have one player in this situation be an overall winner (at best), and if it's between someone with KQs OOP and the ~best player in the room in position, deep, I know who my money is on.

I'm fine with flop/turn and I think we have to go for value with a small bet on the river.

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bet the river

I would most likely go for one street of value. Occasionally bet turn after flop checks around but mostly betting river. Not more then one against described villain. I don't see them really paying off hero with a worse hand, just being willing to call once with some showdown value in case hero is taking a stab with air.
Mostly villain has a hand that loses after they don't bet flop. QQ-TT with occasional weaker pairs and a few AX. The AX would be weak AX, hands A8- that bluffed preflop and are now just trying to get to the river cheaply with no idea where they stand. Very rarely the flop check will be a set or AK that is slow playing.

I'm with the others, bet the river small for thin value. You've shown no interest in the pot and could be trying to steal it with rubbish so he may well call with a weaker King or QQ-TT. The only hands you're going to lose to are weak Ax.

Other streets are fine. Some people advocate 4bet or fold but this hand plays absolutely fine as a call. Turn check is good.

Result:

Why did this guy not bet the flop if he had, say, QJ?

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Bet the river, definitely. Open is fine, call of 3bet is also fine. Villain sucks, sorry. Just terrible PF sizing and he should be betting this flop often if not always. Finally, nobody should talk GTO or relevant strategy at the table. Kid is a total moron.

turn is a pretty clear bet. no reason to give ’s or QJ/QT/JT/T8/86 a free look at the river.

sounds like this guy is just clicking buttons or running on solver-autopilot at 1/3. i would try to figure out why he’s min-clicking your UTG opens for starters. might have something to do with your open raise size of $10 which is effectively a pot sweetener.

are you raising AA to 10 from UTG?

idk i think its wp. you could bet the river mostly because he probably just has like third pair sdv bound stuff and is unlikely to balance that but i dont think its a mandatory bet or anything. hes supposed to range bet flop but he didn't seem to get the memo

i think folding pre to a less than 3x 3bet would be an absolute torch ev wise. you're supposed to 4b some amount pre but if you don't know what you're doing in 4b pots i think you're likely to make more mistakes in that node as opposed to calling the 3b.

Seems fine, but I think block betting river like 1/3 pot can be good too. We shouldn't have too many bluffs for that size, like 1 bluff for every 4 value bets, but we typically should have some bluffs and value bets for that size. He has to defend this pretty wide.

GG isn’t this ignoring us being in for 10 already? We only need to show profit on an investment of 15, not 25.

I do agree in this instance we’re probably losing money on the call but it was sooted.

Ah yes, you are correct; I think for some odd reason I thought we were calling out of the blinds. So actually would be possible for both players to be +EV in the long term here (at least at the decision point of calling the 3bet); although, if anyone is going to be -EV, I'd still put my money on that being us OOP.

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