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06-02-2011 , 03:55 PM
i was in a weird spot a couple nights ago at a home game. i'm just curious if anyone else would have played any different. this was my first time playing in this particular game, so no one really knew anything about my playing style except the 2 guys that met me and invited me to the game. i had an uber aggressive image cause i was able to take down way more than my fair share of pots on the flop or turn with cbets and 2 barrels. i was raising pf literally 70% of the time and no one at the table was 3betting pf with less than qq+. the hand in question has 3 villians and im in the big blind. also this was a 1/2 game but my 3 bets had been getting a fair amount of respect.

v1-has $115 in the small blind. major donk, plays way too many hands in definitely overvalues them. his stack gone up and down all night and he's in the game for like 3 buy ins i think but he'll definitely end up broke.
v2-has $900. has played with me once before and knows i'm pretty aggressive but he typically plays TAG and his hand is usually pretty face up post flop
v3-has $550. he says that he typically plays 5-10 and he is definitely a thinking player. started off pretty aggressive, but slowed down once i took control of the table. he also commented on how i had been playing tighter from the blinds. i also noticed he had a wider raising range from the button however.
hero begins the hand with $500.

1/2 blinds
v2 limps, cut off limps, v3 raises $12 from the button, v1 calls. hero looks down at ksJs in the bb raises to $40, v2 flats, cuttoff folds, c3 flats, and so does v3. flop comes ah,6s9s. it checks around to v3 who bets 65, v1 shoves for 75 total, i call, v2 calls and so does v3. turn comes 2s and it checks all the way around. river is 7d hero bets $100 v2 raises to $250 total,v3 thinks and folds. hero?

i'm not really looking for advice like "just call with kj suited pf" i know thats the standard play. obviously on this hand though i'm trying to represent something bigger. i'm just curious if anyone else who have just shoved the flop or maybe done something different on the turn
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06-02-2011 , 04:01 PM
call
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06-02-2011 , 06:11 PM
Call. If he has the nutflush here then he played it very weird.

Lets pretend he has the nutflush now. Lets also pretend he is a decent player. There are no hands left in his range.

Preflop he limps; range A2-A9ss, but then he flats the raise/reraise where a good tight player would fold this range. Good player would probably even fold AQs after raise/reraise.

At the same time if villain is decent and never bluffing. He is never raising you here without the nuts. it is also more unlikely for him to be bluffing since most of the money is in the sidepot.

Youre getting huge odds to call, if these odds weigh up to the chance that he is spewing then call. If he is tag and never spews, then fold (which player never spews???). I call here.
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06-02-2011 , 06:13 PM
You have an uber agressive image?

You bet $100 into a pot of $430 on the river with the second nuts after checking said second nuts on the turn... and then get raised $150 more?

Your hand is underrepresented.

Call.

You only have to have the best hand here 20% of the time to be profitable.
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06-02-2011 , 06:28 PM
Wut, easy call. Your hand is so underrepped.
Your bet on the river looks pretty weak, looks like you have some sort of stupid AJ-AK hand.
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06-02-2011 , 08:13 PM
yeah, i know i have to call on the river... and he did turn up with the nuts...played it really weird. i was just wondering if anyone could check shove on the clop since it probably gets a big ace to fold and i'm getting good odds to draw against the all in short stack
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06-03-2011 , 04:01 AM
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Originally Posted by chuckles2020
yeah, i know i have to call on the river... and he did turn up with the nuts...played it really weird. i was just wondering if anyone could check shove on the clop since it probably gets a big ace to fold and i'm getting good odds to draw against the all in short stack
There is 160 in the pot preflop. We have only 500 in our stack (that's a stack to pot ratio of around 3:1).

I do not think you should C/R into 3 other people here after a bet and a smallstack shove.

Villain 2 is not folding AK and he is definitely not folding top pair with a flushdraw which is what he had (there is a heap of dead money out there and the latter has good equity against every hand but a set and even that doesn't completely crush Ax... oh and sometimes he'll be lucky enough to be up against a lower flush draw which needs runner runner to win).

Last edited by Nogyong; 06-03-2011 at 04:11 AM.
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