Game has a couple loose passives and I am on the card dead side forcing me to play pretty tightly for once ...

CO is squaring up to be a solid balanced player: some flop bluffraises and shut downs, some standard three barrels, lots of value towning the fish, nothing remarkable.

UTG ($10k)
MP ($7k)
CO ($18k)
BTN ($4k)
Heroine SB ($13k)
BB ($5k)

UTG limps $50, MP folds, CO raises to $200, BTN folds, I call $150 with 8 8 , BB calls $175, UTG calls $150

Flop ($800): 2 3 8

I check, BB checks, UTG checks, CO bets $550, I call $550, BB folds, UTG folds

Turn ($1,900): T

I check, CO checks

River ($1,900): 9

I check, CO bets $1,000, I raise to $3,750, CO thinks for a couple minutes and to my surprisement ships all-in $12,250.

What . . .

Vs someone really good, I'm not sure I find the fold button here tbh. Vs someone unremarkable i'd fold pretty quick.

Well he's basically unknown reg so how much of the player pool at this level fits ur bill of 'really good'

Leading river seems better than going for a c/r, I doubt he's b/calling with very many hands and prob has either given up with a lot of his air or is just trying to get to showdown with his more marginal hands. Either size it smallish to hopefully induce or close to pot/maybe even over to make us look polarized and get him to hero.

Not impossible that he thinks our line is a pair turned into a bluff or just looks FOS for whatever reason and he's attempting some psycho hero play. I think that factored with how QJ/J7/67 would semi-bluff the turn a bunch and TT has no real reason to ever check the turn makes this a call, and just cry if he flips over 99.

... I wasnt after his b/c, I was getting him to bet (which he`ll wider than call) and besides how should I balance my river leads and how are most TAGs doing so given my postflop range c/cing first to act before 2 fishies.

Ure right QJ semibluffs turn sometimes but, shouldnt I also bluffraise turn alot, Which is way easier to balance than riverleads

Meh, just feel like when he checks that turn and that specific river comes he's going to check river back most of the time with most of his range. If it was a J Q K or A then that's obv different.

Agree its hard to balance, which is why I'd generally just lead flop.

very difficult spot. agree with AA that against a really good player, i probably call but against someone "unremarkable", it's going to be surprising for them to make this play with worse and then, they are probably not "unremarkable". I think it's important to know what type of player UTG was to better judge villain's 3 bet here and put him on a better range.

anyway, like the river c/r. Only thing now that kind of makes me want to call is how long it took him to make his decision. when people are nutted, they rarely can wait over 2 minutes to make their play so the only hand that would really worry me here is 99 which is pretty damn narrow. in game, i have a hard time folding here with a pretty strong hand.

also, i disagree that 67/j7/qj semi bluff here a bunch. hero just called oop in a 4 way pot with 2 players left to act behind him. he's not doing this with complete air almost ever so i think a check back would make the most sense with those hands hoping to bink river. think villain can reasonably expect to be check raised in that spot a bunch so check back would seem the best play for him with those type of hands.

On the other hand, would he fire 67 or JQ into four players on that flop?

good point.

I'd fold. Your checkraise is a strong line and he ships over it for 8k more. He never has 2's or 3's here (not sure if he's even raising these preflop). Don't think he has a set of Tens because he didn't bet the turn. I'd say he backdoored something like QJ or perhaps even something like 67. A set of nines is another possibility.

I guess that's the darndest thing about position. He can have the nuts, but you can't. There's no way you'd call this flop with QJ, but it could certainly be in his range.

Maybe, maybe not, but it's definitely a good board for barreling.

if he decides to bet flop with 76/QJ because its a good barrel board he is not going to check back this turn imo
i think his range otr is capped to 99 and perhaps bluffs
this makes it a very though fold

definitely lead river - think he checks back a high % of the time and rarely if never bluffs here.....villan needs to be bluffing a good % of the time to make this a call imo - I only see him having 99/bluffs here - cant imagine he bets QJ/67 OTF 4 way and shuts down OTT.....either way Im probably folding without more information.

looks like a pretty bad board to barrel

Pretty sick spot w no real information on the villain...how often does this game go off, is the villain a reg or taking a shot, etc are some info that could make this decision easier. I dont see how the villain could have any straights for he would double barrel the turn for sure but at the same time we can't either- the fact that we can't have the nuts alone can make the villain spaz and just bet/3bet shove river...along with the fact that theres gotta be a good amount of times villain will just call the river craise with 99 I make this call.

Ps: also I think being a woman could have some importance in this hand as well. I'm sure you've seen people make some ******ed bluffs at you just bc they think you're soft or whatever...not saying up to this level but I don't think I'm folding in your spot.

Nothing wrong a barreling this board w qj suited or even 67 suited...pretty std in deep live cash games.

I agree with AA, If he's really good, I'd call cuz he knows we're capped at sets. I guess if he's a 25/50 reg he must be pretty good. I'd rather lead river, cuz I don't think his betting range will be wider than his calling range. I doubt he bluffs much on the river after checking turn.

I was wondering about flop call. I know the board is dry and people think it's standard to call with top set here. But as someone said calling this board with two people left to act behind you looks strong anyways. Should we ch/r the flop?

Overpairs are calling ch/r for sure to see what we do on the turn and we can bluff raise every once in a while to balance.

OP, what do you think the bottom of his turn vb range is?

His line is just super weird, and I'm having trouble putting him on any bluff combos. While I'd expect him to bet 67/QJ on the turn a lot, they're not totally inconceivable. He could easily be checking back turn to realize his equity, and then plan on bluffing some rivers when checked to. I feel like when you c/r river, your basically repping exactly what you have, so unless you think this guy is good enough to turn a hand like 77 into a bluff, I think your beat a bunch. If I had to guess, your beat here vs probably 90% of the player pool in this spot...

+1

Where is this game being played if I may ask? Typical stack for villain? Any info you can surmise from looking at him?

^^^ thinks he's villian

check/raise the flop and lead the turn

lets get the money in good

overpairs will usually get their money in. overcards/bluffs will shut down too much.

I disagree, hero's flop c/c is very strong (sets and 99-JJ). I would actually expect villain to be checking most of his range ott. River is a leveling war. Hero is repping a strong hand with almost no bluffs but can't have the nuts. Without much history I would fold since he should be shoving 3 value hands. With history it could be a call but he would have to be v v good.

I don't think flop c/r is good, especially with a tight image. Hu it would be ok sometimes to balance air and get overpairs to make a mistake. With a crazy image maybe, but it just makes it so hard to play TT/JJ that I'd rather have a wide c/c range to protect from 3 barrels.

It's way way way wider than this...