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05-15-2010 , 01:34 AM
Opener is takechipp, BTN is killeroooo a good aggro high stakes reg. Scout is in the BB so Im flatting wider but also have some stronger hands in my range that I would might normally 3 bet. He also probably knows Im only playing this game given who the BB is.

Whats our calling range here

Poker Stars $25/$50 No Limit Hold'em - 9 players
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Hero (MP1): $9363.00
MP2: $8996.50
CO: $5438.50
BTN: $5169.00
SB: $4950.00
BB: $5719.00
UTG: $11117.00
UTG+1: $12476.00
UTG+2: $5000.00

Pre Flop: ($75.00) Hero is MP1 with X X
1 fold, UTG+1 raises to $150, 1 fold, Hero calls $150, 2 folds, BTN calls $150, 2 folds

Flop: ($525.00) Q Q 2 (3 players)
UTG+1 checks, Hero checks, BTN bets $450, UTG+1 folds, Hero calls $450

Turn: ($1425.00) 6 (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $1150, Hero calls $1150

River: ($3725.00) T (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $3419 all in,
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05-15-2010 , 01:43 AM
Ewww. If this was 5/10, I probably call down JJ+, but at 25/50, I think I either bet flop or fold flop. But this is without knowing anything about villain.
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05-15-2010 , 01:48 AM
i call with everything if i'm in the mood but that's just me
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05-15-2010 , 02:36 AM
isn't this just leveling? if he's aggro enough to try and bluff off the stack repping Qx then you can make a case to call with anything that beats the best hand he'd turn into a bluff (probably something like 6x or 55 or something).

what is your image in these players eyes? I think villains perception of you and what you're doing with most of your range makes a huge difference in this spot. if you don't have any relevant history or your an unknown to him, does he see you as a low stakes TAG reg taking a shot? and if that is the case does he believe you are folding anything without trips?

tough spot, and even though I'm not a fan of this statement, it seems like if you call turn you probably have to call the river.
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05-15-2010 , 02:57 AM
Cow: "**** this guy, call"

Agree
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05-15-2010 , 06:27 AM
Stop being gay and just tell us what your hand is... and yeah call.
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05-15-2010 , 06:21 PM
Q9+ (well, any trips but I'm guessing Q9 is the bottom of that)...I know that's probably too tight but it doesn't seem like he has tons of FE and as such I'm narrowing my calling range. The possibility that he perceives you as scared money does make it more likely for him to bluff, but once you called two streets I don't think he thinks he can get you off the hand.
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05-15-2010 , 11:22 PM
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Originally Posted by RosaParks
Stop being gay and just tell us what your hand is...
+1 mirrion
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05-16-2010 , 01:18 AM
im calling with like everything not even joking
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05-16-2010 , 01:30 AM
If I you call turn, you should probably call river.
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05-16-2010 , 05:13 AM
what do u think about the big flopbet?
i mean, usually people bet this superdry flop when checked through much smaller than allmost pot as he did (1/2 or even less might be standard) to keep the range depolarized and make a bluff more profitable.

idk if hes leveling there with a (semi-) bluff but most of the time its be a valuebet with a very strong hand imo
so with like TT or maybe AcKx id definitely call the clop and fold to a lot of turnbets (especially given his big betsize)
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05-16-2010 , 08:11 AM
I would fold flop when he bets nearly the pot, unless ofc thats his standard in this sort of spot. If you want a calling range as played, jacks plus seems fine enough to protect your range from a game theory standpoint. You apparently have no reads other than good aggro reg (why would anyone have reads in a 25/50 game, oh yeah its full ring nvm), so I'm not sure what else there is to do then to just attempt to play unexploitably in this spot.
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05-16-2010 , 01:01 PM
meh, forget it.

Last edited by fds; 05-16-2010 at 01:09 PM.
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05-16-2010 , 01:05 PM
fds, I think its pretty feasible that if villain gets to the river with AT, he would value bet it. So yeah, I think theres a difference between JJ and A2.
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05-16-2010 , 01:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Renton
fds, I think its pretty feasible that if villain gets to the river with AT, he would value bet it. So yeah, I think theres a difference between JJ and A2.
I already removed what I wrote because I don't want to discuss specifics with certain villains, but I guess that's a decent point and could sway it a little bit (not sure I agree that he's valuebetting it, epecially killeroooo, when standard 25/50 villains are folding all worse and calling only better as you suggest), but I still think this is a different spot than against somebody who is merging both their value range and their bluffing range, particularly their bluffing range, and can be shoving their entire range.

Last edited by fds; 05-16-2010 at 01:20 PM.
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05-17-2010 , 11:42 AM
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Originally Posted by RosaParks
Stop being gay and just tell us what your hand is... and yeah call.
What are you check calling twice with that you couldn't just bet the flop? You must have 88 or something. Also this is like the safest river in the deck. If you're not snapping this river with everything u called the turn with then the turn is an easy fold because he's shoving any river after you c/c twice like a vaginer.
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