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200nl play for stacks on flop? 200nl play for stacks on flop?

05-07-2011 , 12:43 AM
    Poker Stars, $1/$2 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 4 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #9320552

    Hero (CO): $224 (112 bb)
    BTN: $107.45 (53.7 bb)
    SB: $244.70 (122.4 bb)
    BB: $312.35 (156.2 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is CO with Q A
    Hero raises to $6, 2 folds, BB raises to $20, Hero calls $14

    Flop: ($41) 8 Q 2 (2 players)
    BB checks, Hero bets $24, BB raises to $72, Hero calls $48

    Turn: ($185) 6 (2 players)
    BB checks, Hero bets $132 and is all-in, BB calls $132

    River: ($449) K (2 players, 1 is all-in)

    Spoiler:
    Results: $449 pot ($2 rake)
    Final Board: 8 Q 2 6 K
    Hero mucked Q A and lost (-$224 net)
    BB showed A 3 and won $447 ($223 net)



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    Villain is a break-even reg with 16% flop checkraise .. although this flop is incredibly bad to CR bluff on but he may not know this.

    *what range would you bet/3bet flop with AND what range you bet call flop with

    *If you bet call, are you calling a turn shove? Are you checking or shoving when checked to?
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    05-07-2011 , 01:46 AM
    Disaster. Post in the right forum, don't include results, and yes shove the flop. Slowplaying achieves nothing. You show yourself as having KQ+ or _maybe_ a flush draw, so villain is very unlikely to bluff into you on the turn. So you gain nothing from just calling the check/raise.
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    05-07-2011 , 04:25 AM
    Strange hand and wrong forum.

    Since it's 200NL online, shouldn't there be stats involved?

    As played, I would be pretty worried about villain's flop c/r. I mean the only worse hand I can see taking this line (after 3betting pre) is A K.

    I don't know if I call the c/r but if I do, I definitely fold to a club OTT and stack off as long as there's no King, because we've put in nearly 1/2 our stack.

    Without reads though, I think I fold to the c/r because I can't see villain showing up with KQ or JJ.
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    05-07-2011 , 12:14 PM
    Even though wrong forum, here's my thoughts:

    Preflop, I'd min 4-bet to $40 and fold to a shove. Since you're in steal position, BB's raise range is pretty wide. This way you can stack off easier if you hit a pair.

    As played, since the SPR is about 5, I wouldn't want to commit on this flop. So I'd check back flop for pot control. You're WA/WB, unless he has a flush draw which is pretty rare, so I wouldn't worry about it.
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    05-07-2011 , 06:26 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by yodachoda
    Even though wrong forum, here's my thoughts:

    Preflop, I'd min 4-bet to $40 and fold to a shove. Since you're in steal position, BB's raise range is pretty wide. This way you can stack off easier if you hit a pair.
    ....

    Shove flop. call pre>4b/calling pre > 4b/folding
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    05-07-2011 , 08:32 PM
    hope yado is leveling (:
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    05-07-2011 , 09:02 PM
    Why are you not 4 betting him pre in position with AQs 4 handed. I can put him on a club draw/over pair with this being an internet post a suited hand is more likely than if it were live OOP. If i do call his c/r tho I am not shipping into a 3rd club when It comes on the turn. I am happy to ship any non club turn but i wont call a ship.
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