Villain is new to table, kinda aggro.

Preflop, I raise to $10 against one limper w/ QQ in MP against a limper. Villain calls in the CO, everyone else folds. Flop comes 844. I bet $15, villain raises to $40. I call. Turn is K. I check, villain bets $55.

Stack sizes: Villain has $200 to start the hand, I cover.

On the one hand, pot is getting large and pot committment will soon become a problem if I call. Villain seems fairly loose preflop, so I guess its slightly more possible he has a 4 than if a tighter villain called preflop.

On the other hand, my hand may look alot like a small pair, 99 or under, to villain.

i probably come back over the top on the flop. alot of villians make that same raise with 99 there or a big draw.... if he has a 4 i probably just pay him off this time

IDK about that. I'd agree w/ you if villain started w/ like $120 or less, or if there was a straddle or something and the starting pot was much larger.

Here, we're each in for only 5% of our stack going to the flop...

Well his raise on the flop clearly screams flush draw with overs, ill just fold the turn as played. When you call a 3bet oop what was your plan in the hand. Was it c/c, c/c. I like a lead on the turn instead of a check.

His raise on the flop made me think his range is 99-JJ, A8, 4-X, or flushdraw+overs. I planned to continue on alot of turn cards by c/c. This wasn't the best turn card though, any diamond, king, or ace isn't a great turn card. Then he bets again on the turn. Do you guys think this could be 99-JJ or A8?

his bet sizing on the turn suggests weakness - it is the type of bet many players make when they aren't happy with the strength of their hand but they know they should continue their aggression. this is particularly true when you see them count out two $25 stacks, then pause like they're thinking and add another redbird or two, like they're trying to decide how much you'll call. classic strong->weak tell (just a guess, since you didn't give any physical reads)

a king isn't too terrible for you, really, since most of his flush draw hands will be suited aces. there are only a few combos with kings (KQdd, KJdd, KTdd probably).

i'd call here planning to bet/fold river if it bricks.

His turn bet is a standard 1/2 pot bet. I'd agree w/ you if he bet like 35 or less. Also, note that if I call, pot will be 200 and villain will have 100 left. I'll definetly be pot committed at this point.

apparently i can't read, i thought you started 200BB deep

i still think you're ahead and am willing to play for stacks here. i mean what part of his flop raising range would he not bet on the turn when checked to? i don't think the turn bet narrows his range, really.

I'm kind of up in the air on this one. Against a weaker player this is an easy C/F. I don't think a turn fold is all too terrible, as I definitely like to have a better read before going to town in big pots with an overpair vs. aggression. Going with the aggro read, I think I'm calling the turn. River I'm c/c too. He's probably checking behind a lot of mid range hands on the river, and only betting his bluffs and monsters. If the draw hits I wouldn't mind folding, but otherwise I think I have to pay him off here.

Doesn't pocket pairs below QQ slowdown alot on the turn? Same w/ flush draws. I figured his range was narrowed closer to 4-X or KX after he bet turn. Of course, I thought there was still a decent chance JJ, 1010, or 99 was in there too, or I wouldn't be making this topic...

FYI, a 3 bet is a re-raise. In this hand, hero has raised pre-flop, and called a re-raise (2-bet) on the flop.

I thought that preflop , the blind is the initial bet, you open, thats a 2 bet, and if someone raises thats,a 3 bet. if you re-raise, thats a 4 bet. Right?

I probably raise more preflop after one limper, but I'm guessing this is table dependent. Looks like it kinda accomplished what you want (although we're OOP) so whatever.

If villain is aggro I *might* just go into check/call mode right off the flop. We're by no means WA/WB thanks to the flush draw and A/K could still kill us, so that kinda sucks, but an aggro player is just never checking behind here especially when he senses weakness.

As played, I think I just fold the turn and look not to get into a big pot OOP with this guy. I might even fold the flop since I pretty much know a big bet is coming like always on the turn vs this guy.

The big blind (or straddle) places the initial bet. Limping is calling the bet. Raising is raising... the 2-bet. Re-raising is the 3-bet.

Sample hand:

SB posts 1, BB posts 2. UTG folds, UTG+1 raises to 10. MP calls, HJ re-raises to 30.


UTG would be the raiser/2-bettor, HJ would be the re-raiser/3-bettor.

That is so weak. What kind of flop are you hoping for to continue with? Are you just set-mining OOP with queens?

Ya, I realize it's weak, and for the record I said I *might* fold it. But what is your plan? Call the flop and then check/fold blank turns if he bets again (and he's always going to bet again)? If it is, then we're better off folding the flop, no? If one more bet goes into this pot, we're committed. I dunno, maybe against an aggressive villain that's a good thing.

I mean, an aggressive villain is raising this flop a lot against us and putting us in sucky spots for large amount of chips. So I think I'd tend to just rather play this extremely passively for a reasonable amount of chips, the majority of the time in which we let him bluff off chips to us with air. Obviously I'm not playing this way against a straightforward passive calling station.

i just don't get why everyone is saying to c/c on the flop... if he his on a flush draw with 2 overs we're letting him get there too cheap, and then when an over comes on the turn like the king, we're clueless... i guess its villian dependent, but how often is the villian really turning over a 4 or better here?

I like the flop play, I probably lead the turn. 10 is a pretty small raise live after a limper, I'd like to have made it more pre. As played ... I don't know, I would have led the turn. It's kind of a toss up. Call and spike a Q?