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05-27-2010 , 12:35 PM

IBKsuckout

newbie

Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 23

Villain new to table. Makes a comment about lack of spewy fish.
Effective stacks are $250

Dealt to Hero: A

Villain is UTG and opens to $11, MP calls $11, Hero raises to $45, folds, UTG 4bets to $105, MP folds, Hero???

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05-27-2010 , 01:21 PM

ghostlove

grinder

Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 642

folds.
you are either dominated or flipping at this point. wait for a better spot.

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05-27-2010 , 01:40 PM

steamypile

adept

Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 916

Most live players 4 betting range is QQ-AA, maaaybe. More often it's just KK-AA...you're too deep to continue, if effective stacks were like 150 you could probably get it in and have ok equity vs a range of QQ-AA and maybe AK, but here you fold.

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05-27-2010 , 01:55 PM

Otompsett

old hand

Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 1,658

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Originally Posted by ghostlove

folds.
you are either dominated or flipping at this point. wait for a better spot.

This.

Online is so different to online. You are up against AA or KK here.

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05-27-2010 , 02:08 PM

jolyroger

grinder

Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 657

Most live players yeah, but that comment means something. When did he make it, what does he look like in terms of economic and social status, age, dress, do other players know him, is he a regular, is it a str8 cardroom or a tourist casino? What does he think of us? There is a lot of money in the pot, too much to fold if we have a strong read that he comes more to have fun than to make money.

How much do you think he will lose if we call flop an ace to beat his KK?

This is a very read dependant situation and in no way a standard and obv. fold to an unknown live player.

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05-27-2010 , 02:15 PM

EightFoldPath

banned

Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 671

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Originally Posted by jolyroger

How much do you think he will lose if we call flop an ace to beat his KK?

Villian can only lose about another $150.
He has to call $60 more with $60 in the pot, on hopes to hit a 3-outer?

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05-27-2010 , 03:16 PM

IBKsuckout

newbie

Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 23

Glad to hear. I did fold.

The comment meant something to me, but it wasn't enough for me to justify altering what I thought was the generally correct play. He was an older guy wearing nicer clothes who claimed to be a patent lawyer.

He made the comment approx 1-3 hands prior to this one

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