3 players 20/20 sdr/40~5500 effective

CO limp 40
I limp btn
V raise, he is fairly passive pre
My image very tight atm, had folded 15 h in row
BB whale calls
CO F
Hero C

Hero has K3cc


A2Tccd {580]
V bet 450
BB fold
Hero call 450

8d [1480]
V bet 1000
Hero call 1000

Jx [3480] [THIS IS THE INTERESTING PART]
V thinks for 15 secs when he finally checks
Hero counts my hounderds as im going to bet and V looks at his cards for a sec and then on me again, hero bet 1500

V now think for 5 sec and SHOVES 4200 2700 more for me. He had done this b4 against smallish river bets because he sees it as weak,
He then proceeds to stand up light cigg talking confident.

Hero CALLED.

V def not capable of turning pairs into bluff 100% sure about that. Aggro guy but very bad at getting thin V
V also completely clueless of position, plays his cards and thats it. With AJish hands i think V will bet himself or only ch call river because he might be afraid of KQ, as ive said he is a very bad player especially at extracting thin V and as soon as he sees a str8 possability he instantly thinks i can have it, even when he holds a set.


My biggest misstake imo was to bet riv no doubt about that, cus he wont fold much and i realise that even Tx is very thin part of his range as he does not bet thin often QQ is fairly likely but not very
And weak aces yeah he might fold some but not too sure.

I just felt like he gave up otr and then against my small bet he felt like i was weak and he could shove with his missed draws.


This is my sickest call ive ever done, whats ur thoughts?

It looks like an A "protecting" flop amd turn and tbh no one is folding for such a small raise except bluffs which you prob beat with K hi so just ck back rvr

TBH, you're beat here much of the time, especially with the villain smoking a cig and talking confidently. I realize you're in Sweden, but k-high seems pretty thin. Even if you are right this time, you won't be right often enough to make it a call.

He could fold even 2p to that sizing, he does not know anything about betsizing or pot odds, he never counts the pot or does anything like that. I once 6x shoved a river on K3456 where he snapped with 7x only to loose against my obvious 78
That said i still agree that it shld be a check anyway as i have decent SDV.

I would like to focus the most on my call otr tho. Venice u might be right about that im not holding up often enough, but what valuerange would u assign villain taking this ch/shove line?

AJ must be likely, or he flopped a monster and checked on end to induce then raised you. What busted hand can be hold realistically that you beat given pf play?

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V is scandi, so has much more air in his range than most of us would be used to. Still, though... I check back river to realize SDV. AP, If you really believe he can't turn a pair into a bluff, go ahead and call, as he's very polarized. I would expect most players capable of doing this with air of doing it with weak pairs too, though.

He said passive villain raised pre. What nonpair can he have that we beat?

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That was kind of.my point. This could only be.a call if there are really ZERO one pair hands in V's range. I don't believe it.

He can have Qxdd, Qxcc, Kxcc/dd(and even if he has a higher king than me when called i think he will automuck pretty fast as he has to show first and wont show his bluff) alot of medium SC, with gaps and without. Yes passiveish pre but not to the extreme, he still raises up some random goodlooking hands once in a while like 65s etc

Wait what? So its an automatic -EV call if V happens to have a combo of 22, lol no. I need around 23% and if his range makes so that i win over 23% of the times its +EV. For example Doesnt matter if V may have 10 pair combos if he also has 7 bluff combos.

That said i do not belive V will have close to any pair combos anyway, he has KQ and AJ alot and then a small % random slowplayed set or smth but also sometimes i think he shows up with a low missed draw that decided to spazz

He obviously has K9, so we should definitely call here, but we need to do it fast so that he mucks the winning hand. If we snap call fast enough he might even muck his 1 pair hands that he turned into a bluff. I call this "bluff-calling"; it's a really advanced concept.

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Okay so we are calling $400 into a $1300 pot with K rag high. Um, we need a helluva read to do this. In the 1/3 game I play in, when pots get that big it's a cooler with two huge hands.

If u read op i clearly state that ive got reads on him. One of them being he can spazz raise small river bets with air as he sometimes interprets small bets as weakness

I guess I wasn't clear.

Knowing that he can spazz and bluff is a read.

Saying that you've seen him shove the river 3 times and get up and talk confident and light a cig, and he was bluffing all 3 times...THAT is a helluva read.

Well then i dont have a helluva read i guess

Results?

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He turned over KQ for the str8

What's the rake in this game? Pretty sure limping k3s here given the rake is really really bad

Rake is 5%. Trust me in this game its definetly profitable, as i said they are passive pre and postflop everyone is playing fishy ABC, if they ch i can IP take down the pot and if also when i hit big and they also hit i easily extract alot

Sounds like a great game. You can check/shove the river with the nuts and get called by K high.

What's the max?

Luckily i have alot of thought behind the call and i seriously believe vs that kind of player that its a +EV call.


5% and max is 100 (crowns = $15)

OK can you tell us exactly what your range for him is as I can't think of a range you're ahead of (taking pot odds into account) . Sure he might have some bluffs but given the preflop raise what range gives you odds to call?

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Pretty confident pf is a huge leak here

My limp is good no doubt about that, but yeah limp and then calling is bad, i was extremely card dead and very very tight image is bad at this game, felt like i had to play a hand out of last 25. But yeah maybe a bit too loose agree.

AJ, KQ for value as well as some slowplayed sets that decided to take weird line.

Then we have Kxdd/cc Qxcc/dd and SC and Suited gappers as bluffs. Also he has some just complete spazz bluffs, that he may decide to barrel twice and then give up, and then as i said when i bet small he may easily spazz shove as he had done b4 in this kind of spot.