Villian in this hand I have been friendly with and had commented that people just shove their stack in when he has the nuts. Earlier in the night in a re-raised by him pot another player had stacked off with Q-9 on a Q high flop to his aces doubling him up. I had also folded pocket nines on a button raise to his BB re-raise. He showed kings.

Villain has $225 and hero covers. Villian is in the BB.

3 limpers to hero on the button with Q 10. Hero limps along and both blinds play to the flop.

Flop ($18): Q 9 6r. Checks around to me and I bet $15. I think this is fairly standard and I am likely to have the best hand with straight draws all over. Only the BB calls.

Turn ($48): 4 bringing two diamonds on board. Villian does something weird and bets $25. I took this as a reverse steal where he was trying to leverage his tight image and hope I was on a button steal or could fold a pair. It was also possible that he had a better queen than me and I wanted to fold them all out. I paused a few seconds and raised to $85 fully expecting him to fold. He thought for a minute or so and called the extra $60.

River ($218): A Villain checks and instead of betting his whole stack I bet $75 which looks a lot more valueish. Me having the Q makes this a little easier because it is less likely he was on the diamond draw with top pair. I also don't think this gives him 2 pair as he would lead the flop with AQ.

Wow as I read this I see that the only better hands I am folding out are KQ and QJ. I would probably flame me, but this is the hand I had written up so flame away!

hand is a mess

i usually raise pre to a passive table

turn is a call; you're never folding better and what's the point of folding out worse that would otherwise be likely to barrel river?

Either raise or fold this pre.

Flop is fine.

On the turn, if you thought he was stealing, why would you raise???

Calling the turn IP would be nice because if he bets brick rivers then its an easy fold, and when the diamond hits, you can bet him off of a Q since your hand probably looks like a FD OTT to him.

lol, don't fold

Call turn and call/check back river imo.

Thinking on turn was that I fold out his bluffs and his few hands that might be better than mine. His bet just didn't make sense as a big hand. Anyway, he folded to the river bet and I am pretty sure he had one of the two open ended flush draws so I probably ended up with more value!

You don't consider a river value bet (after flat-calling turn) if checked to?

I don't understand the raise on the turn.

If you think the villain is stealing, let him fire the river too.

Also the river bet is terrible. He's never calling you with worse.

Its a limped pot,theres no need to go berserk and spew a ton of money.I c/c the flop in this situation.Turn raise is bad we have a mediocre hand that really cant improve and after he calls you should shut down on the river

Thats such thin value lol we should probly only do against opponents who we have solid reads on or that will call with ANY piece. If we get raised we cant really call.

My problem on turn WRT calling and letting him continue to bluff the river is that with this player his betting of two streets I only beat bluffs & I didn't want to make my hand only a bluff catcher. I just figured that a raise on the turn basically gets him to fold everything. I disagree that the turn raise will not get better to fold. After he called and folded the river I am very confident he put me on a big hand and had an open ended straight draw (or double gutter) he was looking to double up with if it hit.

I think my read of his turn bet as weak was spot on and I got the extra value and the river is a check behind.

I would typically also just overlimp after 3 limpers and see a flop for cheap here.

I'm fine with the flop bet once it's checked to me.

I am quite concerned when the BB (with 3 players left to react after him) calls the flop and then donks the turn. Unless this guy has been getting out-of-line, I would actually take this as fairly strong and fold. I mean, really, we only beat bluffs / semi-bluffs. People aren't playing back at us / stealing / etc. as much as you'd think. Trying to get people to fold a better Q (TPTK?) is typically futile at this level, especially on non-scary boards, and is in fact what makes this game so profitable. And, imo, we've now made a fairly large mistake in that we've now built a huge stack committing pot with a very mediocre hand; on the river, we've built the pot to $218 and Villain only has $123 (about 1/2 PSB) left. Could we really fold to a donk shove if all the draws bust?

On the river we're simply targetting too few hands to attempt to bluff out plus for far too cheap a price (even a shove is still giving villain too good of odds to pass up), plus one of the draws did get there. I just check behind and hope he has a busted straight draw.

Nutshell opinion: Small hand / small pot, and don't try to get opponents to fold TP.

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You can pretty much rubber stamp this on any thread with a bluff question.

I generally treat a call one street, bet on the next street before someone can react as a raise. A player like this isn't betting 1/2 pot on the turn with Q8 after you bet the flop very often. I'd call if I knew he could screw around with this hand with worse, but my first reaction would be that I'm done with the hand.

You tried a bluff on the turn and failed. I'm done on the river.