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08-16-2016 , 04:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Garick
Grunch (means I have only read OP, not replies)

Call, then ask how many times they want to run it.

You have perfect information and can make the perfect decision here. This is an example of why math is so important.

You have 36.5% equity in the main (both FDs go down since they have each other's outs) That means that when you put your $160 into the main, it will be a 600 dollar pot, and you're 'entitled" to $219 of it, for a profit of (on average) $59.

Then you have almost 55.48% equity in the huge side pot (since two of your V's outs are gone) He has 11 outs twice, or approx 44% equity (for math you can do easily at the table). You'll be putting $665 into the pot of 1330, and winning (on average) $73.

That means that this spot is worth $132 in profit. Not a lot of pots offer that much profit. The variance is very high, but it's still a very obvious call if you run the numbers.

If V2 is also variance averse here, maybe you can run it twice. It doesn't change the EV at all, but smooths out the variance a lot. (Edit to add: I just saw that the casino does not allow )
So when I saw this the other day, I thought the side was against AKhh which left hero flipping it as a tax for the smaller main pot premium. So, yea, call infinity into an infinitesimal pot with 50% eq and you can't lose yada yada, take all edges big and small yada yada, but isn't there a threshold where non-math factors kick in? Is it measured in BBs? Is it all about RoR? For me, flipping for pennies with dollars isn't about good poker anymore, critical error?
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08-16-2016 , 04:11 PM
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Originally Posted by cAmmAndo
WTF does GTO have to do with anything? 2 players are all in and we have a straight forward risk/reward or EV decision on the flop. Based on the flop stack sizes and the pot presented to us.
Have to balance by making bad folds sometimes?
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08-16-2016 , 08:26 PM
No more "dead money/GTO" discussions ITT. BadlyBeaten, if you want to discuss this nomenclature issue and its potential implications, make a thread in Poker Theory.

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Originally Posted by Amanaplan
So when I saw this the other day, I thought the side was against AKhh which left hero flipping it as a tax for the smaller main pot premium. So, yea, call infinity into an infinitesimal pot with 50% eq and you can't lose yada yada, take all edges big and small yada yada, but isn't there a threshold where non-math factors kick in? Is it measured in BBs? Is it all about RoR? For me, flipping for pennies with dollars isn't about good poker anymore, critical error?
I had the V's confused at first two, and even wrote up a post with the side pot being with the AhKh. The EV of calling in that case would have been just over $58. In that case, I said, I wouldn't hate a fold, even though it's not really a good one, given that it's $58 of EV while risking 20% of a 20BI bankroll. You'd really have to be well rolled to take that edge.

It is about RoR to me, though, not at all about "it's not worth it" edges. If you are infinitely rolled, all edges are worth it.
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