Button: White 30 year dude. Pretty quiet. Didn't give anything away about his knowledge of poker by talking. Pretty tight, pretty passive. Called and limped a bit. May have raised about 2 or 3 times in 2 hours. First time he raised the button.

In retrospect maybe I was behind his raising range with AJ. My thinking is that I just wanted to see a flop with the fish.

On the flop once I check, if the button bets or raises that flop then I would have been concerned and thought about folding on that board.

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When you call a raise OOP with AJ and the raiser is the guy in bolded print, you become the fish.

This is a good strategy, imo, but only if it is for a cheap price (for example, overlimping with 100bb stacks for a mere 1% of our stack).

Here, it's for 9% of our stack. We're just paying *way* too much to try to get into a pot with them.

GcluelessNLnoobG

For all you regfish in this thread who think preflop 3-bet > fold > call:

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/11...stion-1651284/

What exactly is this intended to prove? One person said call the other said 3-bet.

One said call>raise>fold in all situations. The other said raise>call>>>>fold. Both are saying definitely not to fold, which is the opposite of what the raise>fold>call regfish are saying.

Plus, I respect Renton's game/thinking a great deal. Don't know the other guy.

I'm calling it on this thread. I've tried to lead people to the correct answer. If anyone still is not convinced, well... that's why I make money playing poker. See you at the tables.

Good luck sir. I love both the appeal to authority here (as much as Renton is an authority as I don't know who he is) and the ad hominen attack on us "regfish". You'd be better off arguing your position with reason, which obviously people can agree or disagree with.

Seems like your position is that calling is good to keep in the fish. Others (including me) think that stacks aren't deep enough to exploit anyone, especially because we're OOP, both generally and first to react to the PFR's c-bet, and we can end up owned when the PFR shows up with a bigger ace here. These are positions on which reasonable people can differ, and I can't prove I'm right any more than you can prove you're right. I do believe that Renton's (or anyone else's) view on the subject is relatively meaningless without backup.

Given the way OP played the hand postflop, do you think that changes what *he* should be doing preflop?

GpostflopskillshouldfactorintoeverydecisionG

Renton is a G. He's speaking for himself. He thinks he could eek out a small amt of $ bc of the fish left to act. And even he is saying it's a very marginal call at best. The vast majority of low stakes players even the regs will not be able to profitably call here.

Bust in the same thread is saying he likes fold as the best option... you misread his post.

And wtf are you talking about 3b get it in with AJo? Stop trying to be a prick if you have no idea what you are talking about

Folding AJ OOP to a raise (even moreso when the raiser is tight passive) is the most correct play. Anyone who thinks differently is deluding himself as to his abilities. That's fine though. Everyone has to learn at his own pace.

I had a guy calling my raises yesterday with A9, AT and other garbage raise calling hands. I pummeled him and he left broke after reloading 3 times. Im sure right now he thinks he just ran bad last night.

How many times do you have to lose a big pot with A9 vs AK/AQ on a Axx flop or win a small pot with A9 vs my unknown hand on a Axx flop before you figure it out?

I know I said I was done posting in this thread but... can't help myself. Lol I probably should have left the regfish part out but I found it amusing... my fault.

My point in posting in the higher stakes forum was to prove to people that higher stakes players (who I'm assuming have a more refined and profitable game, you can argue that point if you want) have opinions that are in contrast with lots of people here. At the very least that should make us want to pause and re-analyze our positions. You can disregard those other opinions if you want to, no harm no foul (although its not what I would do).

You and I understood Bust's post differently. I can see why you thought that but your interpretation is not what he was saying. Go re-read it since I got him to clarify. He said fold is by far worst option and he's not sure between call and 3bet but his get says 3bet is better.

When did I say to 3b and get it in with AJo? I don't think I did... and I definitely wouldn't recommend that...

C/R to $40+, EZ fold to the backraise. V2 is passive and you're not deep enough to call to spike a 4-outer. Also, 3bet or fold preflop.

First Off thinking like this is an absolute negative way to think about ur game. U should definetly rethink about that strategy.

Second - ur x/r is gross. Sorry to be blunt. U either should be calling or raising $40-$50. As well as when V2 raises once limped in u can definetly put him on a draw type hand or maybe Kx type hand. I would be shoving here gladly.
As played i do believe u should watch for these spots a lot more and note them down. You'll learn for next time.


edit: mike said everything. Shouldve just quoted him lmao

As a beginner i would suggest checking out some of the 2+2 books such as small stakes holdem or the theory of poker. They will provide a great foundation to build off of.

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The problem is that the game they are playing bears about as much resemblance to LLSNL as PLO does to Holdem (or NL does to Limit). They are trying to exploit far different leaks (if any at all), while being much more concerned about being exploited themselves.