Horseshoe Hammond, IN NL 1/2
Full Ring. Table just started. This is the 9th hand or so. I have yet to play one. Villain is on a heater. He won with quad 8s (hand 3) and a flush (hand 6 or 7). Not really a villain, looks like Morrissey, nice fellow. I'd estimate he had $400 or so in front by this point. I have $140 which is what I bought in for.
I'm in the Small Blind with A9
Villain is in MP. Five callers including Big Blind. I call and add 1 dollar.
Flop
A89
There are 10 dollars in the pot. The board does not look that threatening but I hate not betting two pair with that many people in the pot. Is that a mistake on my part. I donk bet out for $15. Everyone folds except villain in MP.
Turn: Q
I bet $30. He calls.
River: 3
I don't like the 3 spades on the board but I had a strong vibe he was not drawing to the flush. I won't be results oriented and say. I check.
Villain bets $50. I call. Is this standard or what do you think? Thank you for your time in advance.

good limp pre, flop isnt a donk bet since there wasnt a raiser, but yeah id check here looking for a raise. either option is totally fine though, my reasoning for c/r is Ax is the most limped hand, so good chance someone else will bet it, and you can come over the top with a raise, but betting it out is fine considering how draw heavy it is.

river is sad. JT got there, flush got there, 76 missed i suppose... he might have a weaker 2 pair(A3 would be the most likely one, but who knows in a limped pot), unlikely he just has an ace, no way he is bluffing here. you need tobe ahead 25% and... you probably arent ahead that often, so fold? idk.

Bet flop, checking is for the birds.


I bet all 3 streets.

If you check river, I'm calling.

Too many 2p hands not to call.

bet all 3 streets, fold to a river raise isnt a bad line actually. I like that better than my suggestion.

I don't mind raising this preflop from the sb, with the idea of GII pretty quickly if we flop good equity. Our stack is short, so I'm ok with either end of TP.

GII on the flop would have been ideal but i have a problem i guess with pouring that into a 10 dollar pot. Long term wouldn't that just kill any $ i'd make? I honestly don't know maybe it wouldn't. I really appreciate everyone's advice.

He's not talking about GII on the flop, he's talking about raising pre-flop and betting and getting it in on any board where you hit good enough equity.

Raising pre-flop is fine but with 5 callers, you better know the raise amount to get it down to 1-2 callers and you better be good postflop, specifically OOP.

If you would open ship this flop, you'd be marked as dead fish for life.

70bb is not so short as he is making it out to be.

Well, you're gonna have to make the pot bigger than 10 bux to do this, I agree.

I would agree with this also.

And this.

thanks for defining that donk bet for me, been saying it for years but didn't grasp the full meaning. I wish when i was on here with my old account in 2005-06 i studied hand histories. This is really valuable advice from you guys.

Bet $6-$8 OTF. Your sizing made this difficult to play your hand on multiple streets. Assuming only the same V calls, the pot would have been $32-$36 OTT. This makes your turn sizing different. You would bet $20-$25, instead of $30, leaving you with $130-$132 OTF and ~$110 OTT with a pot of ~$-65.

Thus, your river check-call, which is more often than not the move here by the way, would be much easier for you, since V realistically can't be betting more than $40 and expect to get paid on a better hand. Villains at this level aren't sophisticated enough to be value bet bluffing convincingly, so you could even get away from a healthy river bet and leave yourself with a very workable stack size.

interesting, i always think more is better on the flop but i see your point