I have two hands that I saw take place in the last week that I wanted your guys' opinion. One was of a villain 3 betting and calling off with QQ and the other 4bet folding KK semi deepstacked.

First hand:Villain 1 is certainly weak tight, raise range is 99+ and AQ+ basically from all positions. He is only 100 effective

V2 sat down like 5 hands previous

Villain 1 raises to $12 UTG, V2 raises to $32 with QQ.
Villain 1 looks like he's in agony over the 3 bet, and states "do you have AA? Well if you got it, you got it, I'm all in"

Villain 2??

It looks as if V1 has exactly KK with his speech.

Second Hand: Villain 1 is a standard 1/2 player. Probably a small losing player long term, getting card racked so far this session. He understands pot odds and protecting hands, but is by no means a Level 3 thinker or a shark.

Villain 2 has shown and caught bluffing a couple times, fairly loose preflop, but is straightforward in 3 bet pots being strictly JJ+ and AK+ with heavier weight to QQ+ just like a lot of standard 1/2 players.

Effective stacks: Villain 1 $600, villain 2, $350

Villain 1 is in MP1 and raises to $16 with the KK unopened in a game where the standard raise is like $12 (lol gotta protect big pairs). Villain 2 3-bets to $55. Villain 1 4-bets to $160. Villain 1 with little hesitation ships all in for $350. Villain 2 TANK TANK folds KK faceup.

I understand 4bet folding with really deep stacks may be good, but with semi deep stacks of 200bb is this burning money? IMO villain 2 will only continue with QQ (maybe) or better with a 4 bet involved. Is this burning money?

Should be standard line for V1 be to flat this 3 bet pre to essentially set mine the possible AA/ keep his value with KK?

Villain 2 did table AA.

First hand: Im calling it off an expect to be racing against an AQ AK combo. AA or KK a small percentage of the time. Especially with the speech...in my time playing people are uber happy getting it in with KK...without a speech.

Second hand: your order is a little skewed ... what happened after villian 1 4 bet? You can't 4 bet then ship...

If its vilain 1 4 bets, and Villain 2 5 bets...Villain one shouldnt be folding to a shove.

If we 4 bet we are committing, 4 bet folding is lol bad.

Yeah sorry I have to re edit. I thought 4betfolding was lolbad too

We all know 4bet folding is lol bad. But if your facing a shove and you know 99% that villain has AA. Then calling is burning money, at low level live holdem. The players are super passive, a shove from a tight player quickly when your holding kk. Its a good time to analyze the player and throw in an audible to the math. I know I might get flamed, but if you think outside the box once in awhile you can make some pretty amazing plays. Math says never fold though.

I've seen bad low limit players make that shove with 10 10+ ak esp when they've seen villain show any type of bluff. I'm never laying down kk pre in a 1-2 as bad as those players typically play. If I get shown the goods then so be it, but at those stakes I'm expecting to be dominating my opponent more often than not.

I snapcall hand one. They never have kk when making the speech and would make zero sense to do so anyways.

Sizing in hand 2 is atrocious. Make it 105-120

I agree with what you said on hand 2. That basically makes it so KK should call after all taht is invested. At least the 110 range makes it so you can fold if needed.

In hand 1 the weak tight player indeed had KK and the whole table basicallly cried out "what are you scared of?"
Villain called with QQ rather quickly