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2 month break, followed my bad read? 2 month break, followed my bad read?

11-12-2011 , 09:43 AM
Alright I normally play2/5nl, but took a 2 month break and started with a typical $1/$2 game last night of 5 players limping n seeing a flop. Curious if you guys think I made the wrong play here...

Hero: B T9c ($300)
Villian ($275) : Unknown

Pre flop : Villian mid pos makes it $10 to go, guy UTG has limped. I call on the button w/9Tc, BB calls UTG. (calls. ($41 pot)

Flop: 9s9dQs action is checked to me, I bet $25 later buddy tells me to bet the pot here. Villian calls.

Turn Ks....Villian bets $35, I call

River Ac....Villian bets $100 pretty quick I tank then fold.

So many hands beat me here but id be pissed if he has AK...thoughts?

Info about Villian about an hour later we're in a pot heads up and he bets the same betting pattern of call flop, lead on the turn, but this time he checks the river I check behind and he shows a missed open endee
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11-12-2011 , 10:07 AM
Seems OK to me. I'd probably bet flop a bit bigger but I don't think 25 is bad.
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11-12-2011 , 10:19 AM
I dont understand why we are calling turn but folding that river? What are we beating on the turn that we are suddenly losing to on the river? Are we folding only because he snapped 100 dollars. I am not disagreeing with anyone, but I would have made this call and i want to see why it is a bad call to make is all.
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11-12-2011 , 10:24 AM
I called on turn hoping board pairs on river. The $100 bet doesn't scare me. So no I'm not folding bc the size of the bet.
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11-12-2011 , 10:35 AM
You're calling hoping to hit a paired board on the river? That seems like a really bad plan imo??? So you are calling in hopes to hit a card in which probably won't get us paid off unless he has a 9 as well in which case we chop???
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11-12-2011 , 10:41 AM
I am not saying its a bad play, im trying to get others feedback because I feel like this is not a good way to think. If I am wrong I would love for someone to explain why, but I just can't see why we are calling just to hit a card in which we do not win at all. A paired board will just stop all the action unless he has a 9 as well.
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11-12-2011 , 10:42 AM
He didn't have the nine. I'm 90% certain he had the flush and yes I'm calling bc if I hit my ten or the board pairs I do get paid off bc $1/$2 players for the most part can't fold top pair. And you said you'd call the river bet so you're saying he has two pair at best or complete air. Which I don't think so. I just don't understand what his turn bet means. If he has the flush or straight why not let me bet the turn? ?? Also I feel like I should have raised the turn just to see where I was. But like I said took a two month break so just a little gun shy. On the river Im almost certain I'm beat. Just really confused about his betting pattern.
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11-12-2011 , 10:44 AM
The board pairing on the river wins me a $160 pot if he does have the straight or the flush even if he doesnt even call my river bet.
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11-12-2011 , 10:52 AM
He does take a weird line which I guess after hearing your opinion can most certainly represent a flush and in his eyes he's trying to get value by betting the turn praying for a call. Gah this hand frustrates me...I guess you can definately see a pretty easy fold after reads. Again, I wasn't questioning you are saying anything was wrong..I'm just trying to better my game to be quite honest and trying to get your opinion on the hand, so thank you.
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11-12-2011 , 10:53 AM
Also, If you fold you HAVE to show the 9. Fish love that and will think they can bluff you on later hands ive found out
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11-12-2011 , 10:56 AM
I'm not mad. I post on here to get opinions. And I did show before I folded. I flipped my hand up and sit it on the table and asked him what he thought of my hand. He didn't say anything.
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11-12-2011 , 10:56 AM
That's another reason I thought I was beat, bc if I folded the best hand, I think he shows.
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11-12-2011 , 11:05 AM
ya idk...sometimes they are like "oh **** I made a terrible play why did I do that, can't believe he had a 9.....im not going to show and made him think i had it". 1/2 games are such a level
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11-12-2011 , 11:34 AM
I definitely do not recommend showing the 9.

How can you be so sure that he has the flush? If his raising range pre-flop is tight (you haven't given any indication otherwise) then the only possible holding he could have here would be AJ or maybe A10. Do you think he would raise A9 or less or other suited connectors?

If his raising range is tight then boats are in his range as well as AK. I would make it $30-$35 here on the flop. If checked to on the turn again, I would lead about 70-80% of the pot size so when villain donks into me for such a small amount I ask myself if he normally bets 1/3 pot and consider raising.

Given your passive player here, he might be betting AK for value OOP on the river, as well as made hands that dominate yours.
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11-12-2011 , 11:52 AM
Just to make sure I understand what you're saying ill recap. He bet into me on the turn he didn't check. Whats his turn bet mean? And yes I did think he could have QQ or KK that was my 10% thinking. I do though think he had AJ of spades hes very passive and limps in most pots. Ill never know for sure what he had, but AJs is what I put him on, not KK QQ. What is his bet on the turn saying??
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11-12-2011 , 12:11 PM
this hand has me so confused. I still do not know what the turn bet means. Ive literally sat here typing out paragraphs and completely caught myself contradicting everything I've said. Please give us some input on the turn bet!
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11-12-2011 , 12:11 PM
Bet 35 or at least 30 on flop.

Here I would raise turn 3x. Normally a flat would be standard even to a small bet but I think this is a fishy blocker or nuts most of the time and the board is getting bad enough for me to R/F easily vs him.
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11-12-2011 , 12:12 PM
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Originally Posted by AintNoLimit
Bet 35 or at least 30 on flop.

Here I would raise turn 3x. Normally a flat would be standard even to a small bet but I think this is a fishy blocker or nuts most of the time and the board is getting bad enough for me to R/F easily vs him.
If he flats us??? then what do we do on the river
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11-12-2011 , 02:43 PM
He almost never has a worse hand here. If he has the other 9 on the flop, you're either losing or chopping by the river. You also lose to houses, the straight, and flushes. He can't really have AK because he called the flop bet, and this would be a suicidal river bet with AQ or KQ.
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