$2/5 10-handed.
effective stacks: $1600(V1) and $450(V2).
A tight regular opens to $20 from UTG1 with $1200 behind. V1 calls MP, hero calls with 22 in HJ,BB calls.
V1(MP)- $2500. Semi-tight asian girl who can flat call with some small suited gapper cards in position based on my reads.
V2 (BB) - $450. An old passive white guy.
Hero(HJ) - $1600. TAG nitty image.
Flop($80): 6d 4d 2c.
V2 donk bets $65,
V1 raises to $200.
Hero fold, flat or shove?
There's no way I'm folding bottom set unless you are saying she never raises draws here. Against exactly sets, straight and top two we are crushed but that's a tight range. I flat and jam over brick turns. Could also raise and jam turn, she should fold anything we beat though.
Also, is there any merit to folding pre? I would muck this in EP, HJ I call but I'm starting to question the merits of baby sets 250bb+.
There's no way I'm folding bottom set unless you are saying she never raises draws here. Against exactly sets, straight and top two we are crushed but that's a tight range. I flat and jam over brick turns. Could also raise and jam turn, she should fold anything we beat though.
Also, is there any merit to folding pre? I would muck this in EP, HJ I call but I'm starting to question the merits of baby sets 250bb+.
OK,I flat. BB V2 shoves, V1 shoves, hero needs to call $1400 now.Call or fold given this heavy action?
I can't really see a semi tight asian girl raising a $65 donk bet into $80 to $200 with a draw in a 4 way pot. I would almost discount draws from her since most people play these multi way spots more straight up, especially someone who's "semi-tight". Of course, it's player and read dependent but I would hero fold to the jam. This looks like straight over set over set.
I would call. As played, the nitty BB likely has an overpair since he called a 4BB raise pf from the BB and donked the flop. His cards are almost face up, as this type of player generally would not play 3-5 from the BB to a raise, nor donk a set.
The only question is of V1's raising range. If this range only includes 4-6, 5d7d, 35, 44, 66 this is a borderline fold. If it also contains overpairs, it becomes a raise. Calling would be an error, as there are tons of danger cards on the turn making it very difficult to play.
I tank folded. They both hit straight on this flop.However,I'd win the whole thing if I made a hero call.I guess this heavy action indicates that our bottom set is no good any more.
There's no way I'm folding bottom set unless you are saying she never raises draws here. Against exactly sets, straight and top two we are crushed but that's a tight range. I flat and jam over brick turns. Could also raise and jam turn, she should fold anything we beat though.
Also, is there any merit to folding pre? I would muck this in EP, HJ I call but I'm starting to question the merits of baby sets 250bb+.
Yes, there is. I am folding the smallest pairs like 22-44 in some spots once i get this deep, because once people want to get 250 blinds+ into the middle bottom set isnt good that often and we will always be on the wrong end if a set over set situation occurs.
I tank folded. They both hit straight on this flop.However,I'd win the whole thing if I made a hero call.I guess this heavy action indicates that our bottom set is no good any more.
Well, your bottom set is not ahead on the flop, but if they showed you their hands, you have odds to call. You had just under 41% equity.
If the big stack ever has other hands like 2 pair or pair and draw hands, then it was a really bad fold. If you think the big stack can only have a straight or bigger set, then it was a good fold.
I tank folded. They both hit straight on this flop.However,I'd win the whole thing if I made a hero call.I guess this heavy action indicates that our bottom set is no good any more.
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Our opponents are not optimal good strong players. Folding bottom set for 300BB is never a mistake vs these seemingly passive unbalanced live players.
I'm not saying whether or not it's a mistake because it's a close spot and comes down to a specific villain's tendencies, which you are best placed to make a judgement on. What I am saying is that 'they had straights therefore fold is best' is not a strong analysis.
I'm not saying whether or not it's a mistake because it's a close spot and comes down to a specific villain's tendencies, which you are best placed to make a judgement on. What I am saying is that 'they had straights therefore fold is best' is not a strong analysis.
+1
Anyways a better analysis would have been “i haz set I get it in”
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Our opponents are not optimal good strong players. Folding bottom set for 300BB is never a mistake vs these seemingly passive unbalanced live players.
Even if this hand is real, you owned yourself and should listen to mike. Also, you’re not folding for 300bb, you’re folding for 35Bb which is not ok. Sure the donker would have just loljammed and MP called and then you have an easy fold w 22 (because you have far better hands to get in), but none of that happened yet and rarely would. Often, you get HU w MP w a range of sets and NFDs and deep. Calling it a hero fold is a misnomer of the highest order.
Even if this hand is real, you owned yourself and should listen to mike. Also, you’re not folding for 300bb, you’re folding for 35Bb which is not ok. Sure the donker would have just loljammed and MP called and then you have an easy fold w 22 (because you have far better hands to get in), but none of that happened yet and rarely would. Often, you get HU w MP w a range of sets and NFDs and deep. Calling it a hero fold is a misnomer of the highest order.
This post makes me think you missed OP's second post?
Sometimes, you’re just destined to get stacked, and there’s nothing you can do about it. Folding bottom set here is not an option, and neither is just flatting the flop. There are only 6 combos of 66, 44, and if they’ve got it, they’ve got it. 16 combos of 53, which you’d still have 35% equity against. 9 combos of 64, 3 combos of 62, 42, which you already have beat. Add to that the possibility of a V taking a weird line with 10s+, AK/Qd you’re leaving $ on the table not jamming in the long run. Unless you’ve played dozens of hours with a V, and you know they won’t put their coffee down and raise without the nuts, you just can’t fold or flat.
Sometimes, you’re just destined to get stacked, and there’s nothing you can do about it. Folding bottom set here is not an option, and neither is just flatting the flop. There are only 6 combos of 66, 44, and if they’ve got it, they’ve got it. 16 combos of 53, which you’d still have 35% equity against. 9 combos of 64, 3 combos of 62, 42, which you already have beat. Add to that the possibility of a V taking a weird line with 10s+, AK/Qd you’re leaving $ on the table not jamming in the long run. Unless you’ve played dozens of hours with a V, and you know they won’t put their coffee down and raise without the nuts, you just can’t fold or flat.
Live reads play a big role in these situations. Math is only part of poker. Have you ever seen an Asian girl who is capable of shoving $1600 with even combo draws in 2/5 games?
Actually I was not involved in this hand. In the heat of the moment, our hero on my table 3bet to $600 with bottom set and then made a tight fold when facing two all ins given how much money there was in the pot. I was surprised at his 3bet/fold line.
