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12-28-2012 , 11:13 PM
2/5nl 10-handed.villian is a recreation player who is quite passive and doesnt get out of line at all(his gf sitting beside). one time i see him 3 bet in mp vs some ep opener. thats it. 2 limpers from ep, villian limps in mp,co limps, hero raises to $45 on bt with qq,everyone folds to villian who reraises to $120. villian has about $370 and hero has him covered.Is this a fold or a no-brainer shove given these awkward stack sizes? I doubt that he can do this with AQ or JJ below.My image is solid tight and only raises a few times from lp.

Last edited by maplestar; 12-28-2012 at 11:19 PM.
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12-29-2012 , 02:01 AM
Why are we raising to 45? Are we observant of existing stack sizes within the hand?

With that said stick it in...ive seen this from ak a bunch and stupid midpairs
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12-29-2012 , 09:42 AM
You are on the button, and made a raise of 9xbb. To some villains this looks like a steal attempt. A small subset of those villains re-raise with this hunch. The majority flat call.

It is very rare that a passive recreational player is one of those kind of villains. Much more common is the villain who thinks limp re-raising with AA/KK/QQ/AK is a "sneaky" play.
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12-29-2012 , 09:47 AM
If he did it with no thought - just quickly raised, it's AA or KK. Best you can possibly hope for is AK suited, but I'm still leaning towards AA or KK and folding QQ immediately.
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12-29-2012 , 10:21 AM
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Originally Posted by River G
If he did it with no thought - just quickly raised, it's AA or KK. Best you can possibly hope for is AK suited, but I'm still leaning towards AA or KK and folding QQ immediately.
he limps after two ep limpers and then reraise fast. Do you still think that its only aa and kk?
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12-29-2012 , 10:26 AM
go with your read. there's not much we can do for you.
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12-29-2012 , 10:35 AM
You don't really have much info on villain, if he is the passive type them he is not ever making a move, especially if you are seen as tight. I am probably going in this spot.
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12-29-2012 , 11:10 AM
With a tight, solid image this is a fold, it is close though.
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12-29-2012 , 11:39 AM
Its close but him overlimping, short stack and all, I stuff it. (Andi am a huge fan of folding in overall tight spots)
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12-29-2012 , 11:49 AM
the overlimp in mp would lead me to shove
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12-29-2012 , 02:10 PM
Ahh overlimped? I may be getting this is also. Did not notice this
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12-29-2012 , 02:41 PM
One time I got limp-reraised by a loose-passive fish who overlimped the CO, and I was on the button with JJ. I leveled myself into calling his raise, the hand went to showdown (someone else back-shoved, he called, and I found a fold then) and he had KK.

Another time I got limp-reraised by a loose-passive who limped in MP, similar to this hand, I had QQ, and I ended up calling, then calling a flop bet and value-owning myself on the river. He had AA. When he saw my hand he got annoyed that I didn't go broke to him.

Do not level yourself. If your reads are correct, fold and feel good about it.
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12-30-2012 , 07:00 AM
I would fold. The only time I see people do this with small pairs is in tournaments when people think I have aggressive image. Cash game at low limits this is big hand most of the time especially with ur image
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12-30-2012 , 08:17 AM
Any tells on his gf lol?) I am probly shipping in this particular spot everytime for 100 bigs, unless there is something extra to add about the table dynamics, like a LAG in late position or anything that would make some sense for him to limp AA,KK in that spot
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12-30-2012 , 08:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Nordling89
I am probly shipping in this particular spot everytime for 100 bigs, unless there is something extra to add about the table dynamics, like a LAG in late position or anything that would make some sense for him to limp AA,KK in that spot
One of my most costly (and sadly reoccuring) mistakes:

Expect recreational players to reason.
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12-30-2012 , 03:10 PM
I don't think this has to be a fold or shove spot. There is $185 in the pot and it is $75 more to call. V has $370 left so your implied odds are 555:75 or 7.4 to 1. The odds of flopping a set are 7.5 to 1. Ideally, you want 10-15 to 1 in implied to setmine, but here you have position and some doubt about whether he really has KK+. So, why not call in position and evaluate on the flop.

OTF, the pot will be $260 and he will have $370 left. I would plan on the following:
- Hit set - try to get it in regardless of other cards.
- K or J high flop- If he leads reasonable size here, I'd fold because you no longer lead AK or JJ, respectively.
- A high flop - Will have to evaluate closely because AK takes leads, AA hits top set and may slowplay, and KK- is scared of the Ace.
- Other flops - Will have to read his reaction and betsizing. I'd often fold to a a 2nd reasonable sized barrel from him. Its a strong line from him.

Does this allow hero to be exploited by a light 3-bet followed by a c-bet? Yes, but how often is this V doing that? I'd say rare to never. If AK, QQ, JJ, and ever AQ or less are in his range, I don't like to give up so easily.
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