I've been playing at the table pretty snuggly the table surely views me as a tight player that is probably only playing a big pot with the nuts. I've really only been involved in a few other big pots where I have been the aggressor. I started the hand with around 700 and the villian has me covered.

The villian that is in the big blind on the river is a pretty tight player as well, I really do not have much history on him other than he seems to be only betting when he has it, he does not seem to be making many moves. he is an older guy though who is probably well adept at picking off bluffs. he seems like a seasoned player.

So I pick up ace 10 off suit on the button.....the entire table folds to the me, I make it 20...small blind and big blind call.

flop comes down.... Qs 10h 6h.

both players check to me...i bet 50, both of them call.....at this point im thinking one of them has a draw and the other possibly a queen. at that point they probably are either putting me on air or a queen as well.

turn comes 5s...they both check...i bet 150, the small blind folds....up until this point ive only double barrelled with one other hand which was a set.. so i think its a strong move, ive also noticed both these guys seem to pull out the guns firing when they have a big hand, so im pretty sure they both have some sorta draw.

river comes a queen of hearts....final board is qs 10h 6h 5s qh...

check check......should i have fired a 3rd barrell?

Do you have ah? If not I give up. If you do you may be able to barrel and take it down, but based on your reads I think we get called too often.

Grunch

No. Imo this is too thin. What would he ever call you with that you beat? K10? If the 10 was not on board then i would say yes but since it is there just arent any combo draws that missed that will call a river bet that we beat. Now an argument can definitely be made for turning our hand into a bluff to get something like JJ to lay down but as far as barrelling river for thin value...i just dont see it. Espescially considering the incredibly strong line you took.

Also, I do not like your c-bet. I think checking the flop was optimal.

Your third barrell should be AI to maybe make him fold trip Q, which I have learned not to do since they call you pretty light.
If you are willing to pull the trigger, go for it.

the guy actually had 10-9 of spades.....which was totally out of the range i put him on...if i bet 150-200 i guess it is doughtful he would call...

why not c-bet? I think it begins to show strength in the hand...I have a pretty tight image at the table for about 3-4 hours I've probably raised preflop with 10 hands, I wanna get folds from the preflop callers most of the time.

I just think your hand is not strong enough to bloat up the pot. If it checks thru then you can still get two streets of value on the turn and river without risking so much with second pair. Just my opinion.

Cbet 25 to 35. 50 is too much and unnecessarily bloating the pot.

As played, check the river. You bet the turn to protect against flush draw and try to fold out a Q.

Also, you have to have a very tight image to profitably bet 150 on the turn.

I think the turn barrel was a mistake. You want to double barrel when you pick up equity or when the turn card is bad for their range. Here neither is true, and I am not sure they are adjusting as much to your tight image as you are giving them credit for.

River is the worst card to barrel. You are already ahead and don't need to bluff or he has a Q and he is never folding.

I would have bet the flop, checked behind the turn, and if it's checked to me otr I would have considered a thin value bet for 1/3-1/2 pot to get value from Tx, 88-99

This line is just so obvious though that we are weak dont you think? with this run out i would be raising the river against you all day with atc. I am saying this assuming you meant you would b/f for value on the riv.

I like betting smaller otf, or checking back. No need to build a big pot multi way with 2nd pair.

On the turn are you bluffing or value betting? It seems like you think you are bluffing one player and value betting against the other. If you're value betting against a draw I like the big turn bet (as played on the flop), but if you put a station on a Q don't try to bluff him on this blank turn because he's hardly ever folding when this brick hits, and you end up in a weird spot where you have to fire a huge third barrel to a guy who might not have the brains to fold.

When you get called on the turn don't ever bet this river. Only a complete idiot calls with worse, and you are never bluffing one of these stations off of trup QQ after he calls 150 on the turn and improves to trups. He checks trup qq and flushes here all day with the intention of c/c because he's scared of the flush/fullhouse (lol). He folds worse tens after this river hits and c/f all missed straight draws too. I would check back all day here with all of the showdown value AT has

I think a check is mandatory here. If someone has hearts they are probably going to just c/c if someone has a Q it's quite possible they would call you thinking you aren't going to be betting the flop and turn with just a heart draw. Your hand still has SD so check it back and expect to win the pot sometimes!

moving all in would be a sick play, but i dont see it working at these limits. the Qh helps villains entire range imo and i dont think they are going to find a fold.. i've tried crazy bluffs like this in the past, usually the guy tanks for 5 minutes, calls, and then thinks he made the best call ever

I think your turn bet is good given your image, and you can often times fold out QJ and KQ, and charge the drawing player (which is what you may have ended up doing so right on). People value show down value too much, sometimes when you have a read, a tight image, and a greater than 100BB stack, just put the chips in the pot and go with it

Well, that would be poker. You would get away with it once or twice, then I would start adjusting, etc. Also, if you were to raise a clearly thin vbet on the river after checking twice, your line would also look like air as it's very hard for you to get there with a strong range. But now we are getting too far off track. My main point is that don't worry about being exploitable at 2/5 until you have evidence that someone is exploiting you. Then adjust.

Fair enough.

Why are live players so eager to turn anything less than top pair into a bluff?

OTR his range is primarily made heart draws, missed straight draws, trip Q's, and random pairs. A bet gets folds from missed straight draws and random pairs, and called by hearts and trip Q's, so it has almost no value. A check allows you to showdown and beat missed straight draws and most random pairs. So, I vote check otr.

I don't hate it, but not a big fan of the turn barrel here. Your hand has showdown value, so I would prefer to check behind to control the pot size. I would prefer a turn barrel here with a hand like KJ that doesn't have showdown value, but has semibluff value.