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06-15-2013 , 03:14 AM
I don't mind the missed cb too much either. That board hits a BB cold calling range pretty square and doesn't set up for too many double or triple barrels.
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06-15-2013 , 03:23 AM
Flop check is fine, it's close but it's fine. Icbet anybody nitty and check back versus anybody bad/loose. I'm just not expecting him to fold any significant ***** of his range.

I would call the turn and fold most rivers

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06-15-2013 , 03:27 AM
Just read the responses, I'm folding this river comfortably, our hand looks like a bluff catcher and he is still firing.

People who think this is a great board to cbet really need to do some leg work imo.

Raising the turn is lol.clicking buttons.

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06-16-2013 , 12:26 AM
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Originally Posted by 11t
Flop check is fine, it's close but it's fine. Icbet anybody nitty and check back versus anybody bad/loose. I'm just not expecting him to fold any significant ***** of his range.

I would call the turn and fold most rivers

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Yeah I felt he was aggro and def not nitty, so didn't have any problem with passing on the cbet here.

Would usually fold to river bet(like 2/3 of time), but size of river bet really polarized his range in my eyes so his value range was so narrow I just felt pretty inclined to call. If he bet 50 I would have been more likely to fold I think.
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06-16-2013 , 12:33 AM
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Originally Posted by ikestoys
So this is a line I've been experimenting with a lot, and the board runs out in such a way that I'm inclined to call. However, you need a better read than what you have.

When I'm the BB in this spot, I know I can valuebet 88-99 and probably even low pocket pairs. I do this all the freaking time. However, most villains don't.

The question here is if the villain's range is that polarized. If his value range is a 6 or some random ass jack then yeah call, but if his value range contains 88-99 or AT or w/e then you should fold.
Ike could you elaborate a bit on what you'd need in a read here to make the call. Thanks.

I felt I had a pretty good read on him being aggro and willing to stab at pots but no def. reads that he is 2 or 3 barrelling air.

I also felt his river bet size really polarized his range to monsters or bluffs and this is what made my decision to call. Am I wrong on this line of thought?
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06-16-2013 , 01:01 AM
Like I say in the post, you need to know if his valuebetting range is polarized. As in, can he value bet a weak hand?
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06-16-2013 , 01:23 AM
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Originally Posted by BenT07891
Since you have a good image, I'm c-betting that flop probably around 80% of the time. Checking behind isn't a disaster though.

On the turn, I'm calling sometimes and folding sometimes, leaning far more toward calling since he's more aggro than most.

On the river, I'd range him at something like:

30% stone bluffs
30% 10-X
15% J-X
25% a monster (6-X, flopped straight, flopped set, ect)

Since you're only good here 30% but need to be good 31.6456% to call, I'd fold...but calling can be good for our image and for info.
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OK, now we're getting somewhere. I like your ranging.

30% Tx and 30% bluffs is where we differ. Tx bets smaller for value almost always unless he is turning it into a bluff so I think with this bet size it's less than 15% Tx(a lot of that JT) with a lot of the other 15% going to bluffs.
I'm wondering if a raise/fold has merit? Say raise to $225 to fold out the bluffs, TX and JX hands. This may be somewhere between similar to and better than a call. Here's my math.

Call using BenT's range (30% bluffs):
EV= 30% ($300) - $95 = -$5

Call using Crackleback's range (45% bluffs):
EV= 45% ($300) - $95 = $45

Raise $225 / fold using BenT's range where all but monsters fold
EV= 75% ($430) - $225 = $115

This 75% fold rate is not realistic because we can expect some calls from some of the non-bluff hands. That said, a 62.8% fold rate has the same EV as a call using Crackleback's range and a 52.3% call rate is break-even EV.

EV= 62.8% ($430) - $225 = $45
EV= 52.3% ($430) - $225 = $0

So, if a raise to $225 will scare away V slightly more than half the time, this play makes some sense.

Thought?
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06-16-2013 , 07:48 PM
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Originally Posted by ikestoys
Like I say in the post, you need to know if his valuebetting range is polarized. As in, can he value bet a weak hand?
Thanks Ike.

Yeah I felt from his general play, though no solid evidence, that he could value bet thin(didn't have impression he would value bet very thin as he didn't choose to on a couple hands that went to showdown).
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I just didn't think he would bet so large with a very thin value bet unless he was absolutely sure I had AK and even then he has no reason to believe I would call there with AK. This makes his very thin value bet super thin(I look like nit so almost nothing worse calls therefore a bluff should look pretty sexy to him). I do think he could bet AJ like this so that's a possibility for sure but that supposes a lot of things happening this hand.

Frankly, I just don't run across a lot of 2-5 players who value bet very thin. 5-10 yes but not many at 2-5.
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