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01-26-2017 , 12:07 AM

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Tiltyjoker

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He doesn't. He has quads. Not even giving him 44

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01-26-2017 , 12:21 AM

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WP. Given description I'd probably call river with this hand. We're gonna be c/f our broadway/nut fds and middling pairs.

Sucks when he shows up with the 6xs but there are so few combos that beat you.

2 ott doesn't improve any hand in our range. Continue to check for the same reason you didn't 3bet the flop. If he checks back turn we can value bet most rivers

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01-26-2017 , 01:02 AM

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WP. Given description I'd probably call river with this hand. We're gonna be c/f our broadway/nut fds and middling pairs.

Sucks when he shows up with the 6xs but there are so few combos that beat you.

2 ott doesn't improve any hand in our range. Continue to check for the same reason you didn't 3bet the flop. If he checks back turn we can value bet most rivers

I don't even give him any 6x here. The described player would realize 64 is no good on the turn. Villain is repping between 5-9 value hands (44 (3), 66 (1), 22 (1) and 53s (4)). He really only needs a handful of busted flush draws or worse overpairs for this to be a large +EV shrug call.

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01-26-2017 , 11:45 AM

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01-26-2017 , 01:30 PM

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That's a fairly impressive value bet from a live player. His flop sizing is bad tho.

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01-26-2017 , 01:43 PM

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I doubt he actually had 35.

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01-26-2017 , 01:49 PM

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Tiltyjoker

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I think he prob did ^. Nice fold.

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01-26-2017 , 01:51 PM

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Kind of to Avaritia's point. You would have to have a stone cold read to make such a pot sized bet with that run out. If true, then I would side on Villain being more reckless then good.

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01-26-2017 , 02:02 PM

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Kind of to Avaritia's point. You would have to have a stone cold read to make such a pot sized bet with that run out. If true, then I would side on Villain being more reckless then good.

Not really. How many boats are in hero's range? I think a lot of players would just be like "lol double-paired board I haz to check." River is a very clear value bet and I like the sizing. You could even consider overpotting because it looks so bluffy when villain reps thin.

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01-26-2017 , 03:03 PM

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I doubt he actually had 35.

He was pretty buzzed and told my friend after I left in a conversation about some other hand. He also showed all of his bluffs, so he probably did have it.

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01-26-2017 , 03:16 PM

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Your analysis is totally sound, agreed, but you just made my point with "I think a lot of players would just be like lol double paired board I haz to check".

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01-26-2017 , 03:22 PM

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I understand all that, so what's our best option here? Bet flop and give up when raised? Call and then c/c safe turns and c/f river vs big bets when unimproved? Pretty common scenario here OOP vs 4 people on a wet board.

No option is going to be easy in this situation and there is no pattern that is going to be automatically right. When your opponent is playing this aggressively you are just going to have to make a read and decide if you think he is bluffing or not at some point. In these touch and go situations I find it's better to put villain to the test on the flop. Force them to make a big risky move if they want to push you out of the pot.

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01-26-2017 , 10:26 PM

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He was pretty buzzed and told my friend after I left in a conversation about some other hand. He also showed all of his bluffs, so he probably did have it.

Whatever helps you sleep at night

. I think river is call fwiw. Although I don't mind making exploitable folds, this isn't the time.

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01-26-2017 , 11:02 PM

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Whatever helps you sleep at night

. I think river is call fwiw. Although I don't mind making exploitable folds, this isn't the time.

I thought about it for a while, even had the clock called. It felt like a call and after seeing him play some other hands it definitely felt like a call...but I guess he had it on this one. FWIW, two of my friends said call and two said fold. Tough one.

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01-27-2017 , 01:13 AM

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wow, I don't know if we could ask for a better runout. This hand wouldn't be considered if an A,3,5, hearts, even a 4 is iffy, thats 21 easy fold cards. Would a 7,8,9,T,J,Q turn/river make this an easier bluff catcher spot?

I know villain is telling us he has us beat, but if villain has 53 in his range than he also has a ton of draws. Assuming villain is aggressive with his draws then I'm making an x/c otr.

Hero's hand is face up as an over pair, aggressive players like to put pressure on one pair hands.

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01-29-2017 , 02:38 PM

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SublimePoker

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Either your profile/read on V is incorrect or you over thought this hand and found the fold button. Anyone can critique the betting amounts and make a case but that wouldn't change the action of V and how it played out. Some thought should be given on three betting the turn.

If you believe your read on V is correct, it's a snap call on the river. What better spot are you looking for? Best pre against a drunk LAG-ish spewing chips. If he drew out on you then it's a cooler=variance.

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