Not sure why everyone hates flatting in position with KTs. I am not just playing this hand for value i am obv going to steal and make moves on certain boards to take the pot away. Also, i am totally capable of folding top pair when necessary so calling with KTs is fine imo.

"Everyone" doesn't. Apparently only I do. And it's because you aren't in position. Calling from the button, which I would hate less than this (but probably still not do against an unknown), is different than calling from the HJ when there are 2 people behind you. This is something I would almost never do even if Villain were not an unknown.

Depends on the table dynamics. If there are known spewtards to my left that I know will call and I can stack them then sure, I can make the call with KTs as long as everyone is 100bb+ deep.

However, if there are no real marks to my left and V raises and action is first to me then as nitty as it sounds I just fold KTs especially if it looks like it will just be heads up action.

I agree, I'm trying to use all info I have the second they sit down. But there is no substitute to witnessing them just play a couple of hands.


And this is where we 100% disagree. Villain is an unknown and thus making such a Hero call vs an unknown is just leveling yourself in the worst way.

In order for KT to be good here, we need V to be capable of turning his hand into a bluff on the turn on a super wet scary board and then follow up his turn bluff with a river bluff shove when the Ace hits on river.

So the question becomes, what hands in V's range can do this? TT, JJ, QQ, airballs like T9s, J8s, 54s...

What percentage of 2/5nl players are capable of not only bluffing turn with the above hands on this board but likewise capable of following up their turn bluff with a river shove? And by the way they are OOP and an Ace hits on river and A is definitely in hero's range...

Based on my experience, I would say less than 10% of 2/5nl players are capable of taking the above line. And then even if they are "capable" of taking the above line how many WOULD take the above line against an unknown (Hero is unknown to villain as well).

If we assume 25% of the 10% would take this line than that is saying out of the population pool 2.5% of the time our KTs is good.

So how is that +EV?

Without concrete reads and hand histories, calling the river in this spot is lighting money on fire AINEC imo.

that's just how I see it. And I think if you don't think so you are either leveling yourself or reading too much into first impressions and trying to divine V's ability based on the type of Polo shirt he is wearing and the way he parts his hair...

If there were two callers prior to OP's call and said callers were easy marks then I'm 100% calling with KTs, no doubt about that.

Or if we were in the CO or BTN and there were a couple of callers then I can see a call.

but in this case, action if first on us after the raise so most of the time I just let it go unless I'm at a super action table and I know the marks to my left are going to call.

Otherwise, if the above doesn't happen, I fold this 100% of the time...

Fold pre