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05-05-2019 , 02:30 PM

barney big nuts

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Eff stacks about 600 bb huge drooler which is why I call preflop.
Villian utg+2 is a good thinking player

Hero has 67cc

V opens 20 I call mid position 67cc BB as expected calls

Qs4h5c

V cbet 30 I raise to 90 bb folds V calls

Turn 3s v checks I bet 115 V calls

River 10s villian donk shoves 400ish or so into me and I puke

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05-05-2019 , 02:47 PM

XtraScratch8

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V is very polarized here (obviously).
I think you have to call.
What really calls your flop raise there?
OPs, Qx, sets, I find it hard to see how backdoor flush draw gets there unless it’s AKss, A-3ss and very unlikely A-2ss.

I would call.

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05-05-2019 , 03:58 PM

Volverin

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Pot is 470 on the river if I'm not mistaken.

He shoves 400, less than pot size. I think he can have QQ there, so we should call. t's hard to put you on a straight, not everybody raises straight draws on the flop. He can be value betting worse, if he's a thinking player then it's possible he wanted to get max value from your sets which you would probably play the same way and didn't want you to nit-check them back on the river.

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05-05-2019 , 04:05 PM

barney big nuts

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What bluffs does he have? I tried my v hardest to find a few and had a really hard time doing so
87ss got there too

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05-05-2019 , 04:12 PM

Volverin

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He doesn't have any bluffs, you raised the flop and fired the turn and he called both times. Even if he had some freaky draw that missed on the river, he won't be bluffing into you, you showed huge strength, it would be a suicide.

He can only have a worse value bet, which is QQ. Probably nothing else. 3 combos of that and AKss, A3ss, 87ss lets say, also 3 combos. 50/50. This is a call.

But if somehow he has a bluff here, then the call is even more profitable.

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05-05-2019 , 04:34 PM

barney big nuts

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Would if we had 444 instead of 67? Or say we had a hand like kk that chose not to 3 bet?

Still calling?

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05-05-2019 , 04:43 PM

Volverin

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Of course not. 67s is a call because we beat some of his value hands (set of Queens).

If we had a set of 4s then we don't beat any value hands because QQQ now beats us. Same thing with KK.

Folding a set of fours is probably exploitable but I think it's always better to overfold in these live low/mid stake cash games unless we have some good reads on our opponents.

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05-05-2019 , 04:46 PM

johnnyBuz

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Why’d you bet so small on the turn? If you bet a more appropriate size the river would be a shrug snap.

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05-05-2019 , 04:47 PM

barney big nuts

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I sort of ruled qq out by the way the hand played out. Most are gonna c/r or shove turn with qq esp vs a smaller sizing.

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05-05-2019 , 04:49 PM

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barney big nuts

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Originally Posted by johnnyBuz

Why’d you bet so small on the turn? If you bet a more appropriate size the river would be a shrug snap.

I figured more times than not I had him drawing dead ott and didn't want him to fold.

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05-05-2019 , 07:01 PM

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Minatorr

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Hand seems fine post, pre is probably -EV even with whale in BB but w.e. no one’s gonna listen anyway lol.

River i sigh call, your turn bet might have induced. I’d sigh insta muck my sets

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05-05-2019 , 08:12 PM

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monikrazy

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This is a snap call

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05-05-2019 , 08:41 PM

#13

Spanishmoon

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Barney: I’d be grateful if you could post the pot size in each street so the math becomes easier. Thanks!

AP: I think this is a straightforward call. It feels like you raised the turn and V realized he was screwed. Then a scare card comes and he decides to rep a flush. His post-flop line is implausible without some value.

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05-05-2019 , 08:55 PM

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linkthestink

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Originally Posted by monikrazy

This is a snap call

This. Never folding except vs sick nit. Turn has to be alot bigger. Sizing screams I got a huge hand and don't want villain to fold so I'll bet a little more than last street.

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05-05-2019 , 09:37 PM

#15

weiskoda

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It would be sick if V had 67ss!! Ouch.

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05-05-2019 , 10:00 PM

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Homey D. Clown

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"Huge drooler" isn't much of a read. Does he ever bluff? Is he aggressive at all or just a huge calling station?

Without some very specific reads, I would say bet the turn bigger and always call the river.

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05-05-2019 , 10:10 PM

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barney big nuts

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The drooler was in the bb which is why I flatted 67s.

The guy who shoved into me is a good player

What hands would you guys be folding if you me in this spot? Sets? AQ-KK?

I feel as if villian is really only jamming into me with flushes here so if calling with a straight I may as well station sets and aq+

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05-05-2019 , 10:13 PM

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Homey D. Clown

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Originally Posted by barney big nuts

The drooler was in the bb which is why I flatted 67s.

The guy who shoved into me is a good player

My bad, misread the HH.

Still never folding river.

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05-05-2019 , 10:24 PM

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Minatorr

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Originally Posted by barney big nuts

Not sure why’d you ever get to the river like this with AQ.

Your turn bet might have induced. Who knows maybe 10% of the time also he spaz jams QQ here. You cant fold.

Only reason i call straight over sets here if you rarely beat QQ or who knows bottom/middle set. if you can beat one extra combo then it’s enough to sigh call.

If you have bottom set or middle set you literally beat nothin except spaz.

Pre is also very bad since you can get squeezed and BTN/CO have position on you, but we come to the casino to gamble right?

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