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2/5NL Bottom set facing turn donk. 2/5NL Bottom set facing turn donk.

12-09-2011 , 11:19 AM
History: Table has just opened with in the last hour. Most players at the table are tight/weak. This is an ideal table for me to play LAG and steal many small pots. 6 handed.

Villain 1 BB ($500)
Age: mid 20s
Sex: M
Ethnicity: Asian
Play style: Unknown
Relevant history: None
Comments: Villain just sat down at out table about 5 minutes before this hand occurred. FWIW villain looks somewhat competent. He is wearing glasses ans seems comfortable at the table. He bought in for $500. The max buy-in is $1000.

Hero CO ($1000) is dealt: 22

Pre-flop:
Folds to Hero who raises to $20, BTN calls, Villain in BB calls.

Flop ($55): A42
Villain checks, Hero bet $35, BTN folds, Villain calls.

Turn ($125): 6
Villain donks out $80, Hero calls $80.

At this point I think that villain is unlikely to be drawing. I don't want to blow him off of a hand like AK-A9 with a big raise here. So I decided to just flat and see what his move is OTR.

River ($285): 3
Villain bets $150, Hero...?

Thoughts on the entire hand?
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12-09-2011 , 11:38 AM
turns the easiest raise/call

as played call river
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12-09-2011 , 11:38 AM
Meh/call spot IMO.
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12-09-2011 , 12:23 PM
Just call OTR. Unless they have 2-pr, unlikely they will call a thin-value raise w/Ax.

I think your play and thought process was fine throughout.
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12-09-2011 , 12:45 PM
yeah river is a call, not sure if saying raise turn is being results orientated or not.


I think raising the turn for value is ok obv but like you said he has to have a lot of Ax hands that might not stand the heat.

OTOH assuming he is competent how many straights are really in his pf range here??
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12-09-2011 , 02:03 PM
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Originally Posted by monkeymaps
yeah river is a call, not sure if saying raise turn is being results orientated or not.


I think raising the turn for value is ok obv but like you said he has to have a lot of Ax hands that might not stand the heat.

OTOH assuming he is competent how many straights are really in his pf range here??
How can it be results oriented when you don't know the results?
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12-09-2011 , 02:25 PM
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Originally Posted by ThaPr0fess0r
Turn ($125): 6
Villain donks out $80, Hero calls $80.

At this point I think that villain is unlikely to be drawing. I don't want to blow him off of a hand like AK-A9 with a big raise here. So I decided to just flat and see what his move is OTR.
I don't think Ax is a large part of his range at all. In my experience, few villains play Ax this way against a PFR. If he does have Ax, it was probably A6 and he improved.

It's more likely he just picked up some outs and decided to semi-bluff. He might have something like A5 and picked up a few straight outs, or maybe more likely is 54dd.

Because I think the c/c OTF, donk OTT line means he picked up outs (especially given the turn card) I'd raise the turn. Make it a healthy 275. If he set-over-set you (and he's not really playing it like a flopped set, either), oh well.
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12-09-2011 , 02:35 PM
raise turn, have villain put you on ak, stack two pair

ez game.
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12-09-2011 , 02:42 PM
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Originally Posted by ikestoys
raise turn, have villain put you on ak, stack two pair

ez game.
+1...they always love to put people on AK
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12-09-2011 , 02:53 PM
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Originally Posted by ThaPr0fess0r
How can it be results oriented when you don't know the results?
its result orientated because the nut low river card came, not saying you lost the hand or I know what villain had just saying if the river is a Q and you value raise and get paid it doesn't look so bad.
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12-09-2011 , 03:24 PM
I think you should raise the turn. I generally like to err on the side of playing a big pot when I have a big hand rather than squeeze value out of weak hands in opp range. Versus his range ott:

AA, 44, 66, 53 - you are likely paying these hands off, so I wouldnt worry that much about them. AA and 66 are very unlikely anyways given his line and I am not sure if he plays 53 PF.

Ax unimproved - you may get one more small bet otr.

A6, A4, A2 - you want to extend an invitation to play for stacks by raising.

A3, A5 and Combo draw like 5d4d or 4d3d - These hands may call a small raise to draw at straight/two pair.

So, I think you should raise to 200-250 ott to get the most value from his range. As played, I call otr because you are slightly underepped.
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12-09-2011 , 08:23 PM
I would have re-raised to $200 on the turn, try to build a pot to get stacks in.

As played I think the river is a raise. I don't see him having a straight, I would min raise or make a 2.5x raise. Raise to a total of $300-$400 IMO.
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12-09-2011 , 08:56 PM
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Originally Posted by mp2012
As played I think the river is a raise. I don't see him having a straight, I would min raise or make a 2.5x raise. Raise to a total of $300-$400 IMO.
You don't raise river because he doesn't have a straight, you raise if you think you are actually getting called by worse enough times to make it a profitable move. So reconsider whether raising river is +ev or not.
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